April 6, 2023
#85 Navigating the No-Code Revolution with 100DaysofNoCode a perspective from Ago Giglio
In this episode, we sit down with Agostino "Ago" Giglio, a fellow member of the 100DaysofNoCode cohort, to discuss his journey into the world of no-code development. Ago shares his insights on choosing the right platform for building MVPs, overcoming challenges during the process, and validating his idea. As a developer with coding experience, Ago also shares his perspective on why no-code tools are a game-changer and offers valuable advice for anyone looking to build their own projects using no-code platforms.
If you are interested to join the cohort starting 1st of May join here:
https://www.100daysofnocode.com/no-code-mvp?ref=Mehmet
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Hello, and welcome to a new
episode of the city of show with
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Matt.
Matt, my name is Matt.
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And as you know, in each
episode, I cover different
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topics from digital
transformation cybersecurity, no
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code Ai, and so on.
And some time I have with me
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gets who are thought leaders,
entrepreneurs, startup,
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Founders, who come to talk about
their experiences, what they are
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trying to do.
And today, I'm happy to have
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with me.
I'll go who was my colleague in
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the hundred days of no code
code?
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Hoard.
And the reason I thought that,
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you know, we would do this
episode because I wanted to
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share with my audience about the
experience that we had there and
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you know what are the things
that you can do.
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So thank you very much, I'll go
for taking the time, can you
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please just, you know, tell us
little bit about yourself and
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what brought you to the hundred
days of no code cohort.
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Short.
Hello.
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Mammon her often will all the
dates on Earth.
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Then that's the nice Journey
until now and this is something
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I never think to chill.
This is no called The Adventure
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that one.
How is that Arctic started by?
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It was a random thing on
December.
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I think that I I needed
something new for my projects, I
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like to drive around in my spare
time, something to do something
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should be in something to
create.
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And I I had a failed project,
mainly I, you don't share and I
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feel like they're working for
three years on this project.
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This was a good to you, too.
Charmin.
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You have single that the they
things change it during the
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years with you, but they YouTube
and way to change the and I lost
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a lot of people obviously
subscribers on my YouTube
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channel.
And so, I think that to stop the
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project and to start to start
something, you, I listened about
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the know, God, and is the
Dilemma where the, that was
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something that I was curious.
So, I tried I subscribe to the
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boot camp and it was something
that I can't explain like my
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comfort zone, my using my every
time I like learn and I started
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without to know, then the
English that this body in
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English and I didn't know they'd
break from that you had for them
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to be like bowel and I just
started and I can say that it
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was an amazing, amazing.
The people amazing.
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They are the experts amazing.
They are you the host of their
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can put, that was an awesome.
Yes.
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And until now, We are here the
method to to child, then, the
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yes, only prizren that they
actually were always so nice to
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speak with the bodies when
because their body shop may be
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made you something a bit
ambiguous nature.
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But I see that the trend late
Very, very provide thing in the
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future.
And so, let's kind of shift in
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a, my more videos today.
Nice segue.
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That's cool.
That's cool.
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So I'll go like that.
You had an idea before coming to
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The Bootcamp, or did you develop
the idea there?
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I am Mrs. Ty, I helped the idea
came to my mind for me, for some
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week because I am in the small
best community of the Daniel
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bustle.
And I had some idea about some
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project job tracker for form a
droids.
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I tried to use the nostril by
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It would be delicious.
Wait for me from for some
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reason.
So it was a good, a good.
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I go to re-home to to learn
Bible and the other knuckle to
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work, okay?
So do you use bubbly to build
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your MVP, right?
Yeah, yes.
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Okay and black formula P
because, you know, I was also
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there and even before joining
this discourse, I don't claim I
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was expelled but I used to see a
lot of no code tools but what
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really, I mean what was the
reason that you choose bubbly?
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You know not other tools.
Without which, what make
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couldn't the Bible was your
choice?
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Yeah.
Okay.
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As well as developing ditch
today.
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The closest finger to hold them
then posted it I use for my job.
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Okay.
I am amazed was developing so I
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advise a visual studio, my dad,
the role model for Or the
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integrated development
requirements for me to Bubble is
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something very, very similar in
some, I agree and in fun.
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Okay.
Okay, so just for the sake
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because maybe this people who
are interested in joining, you
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know, to just give them some
sneak peek out sake, what was,
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you know, the biggest challenge
for you but at the same time,
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how you cross this challenge,
how did you overcome?
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Come this challenge.
Okay, I am Island in a pile.
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They'll grind my picking
developer gauge, so I am a true
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actor to write the code, but
that day the visual a tricky for
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me, and the content is very
tricky.
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It's a when other end, if you
are vacant, developer it.
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So one other and works.
And that's a problem because the
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web today, Is all about the
front-end framework.
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And to learn that for me, it's
hard because I should, I should
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require some amount to 1 to M
plaster that so, for me, bubble
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and they don't want rules in
general, it's a, it's a way to
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speed up the feelings.
You you are you don't rest time.
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Jewel, Dragon are all day.
And then I opened the star.
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You have the idea for business
idea, and you go straight
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forward 3dmark, to test your
idea.
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That's amazing, man were here.
Yes, great, yeah.
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You have no idea machine.
I remember.
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And you have, when you have a
lot better idea, so I like you,
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you have the superpower that's
all for this week, that's the
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thing.
In saying that you feel should
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they were each idea?
It'll really to it takes months
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and I mean yeah you just want
them be.
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You should go to Denver Post.
That's how I must create me.
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So yeah.
You you have the speed?
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Yeah, yeah.
So just to 220.
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Like, add to what to otago is
saying, in today's world, it's
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very important to come up fast,
right?
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And change fast, you know, this
is what I think.
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I'll go is mentioning if you
have an idea back in the days,
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because I know from myself, I
have technical knowledge.
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I know basic programming, I
learned like C C++ the things
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but I mean, right, web
applications, right?
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You want to build a web
application mobile app?
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Think about, Out as they call it
the iPhone moment, 2007-2008
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that time and then the Web 2.0.
Right?
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At that time, I had a lot of
ideas.
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There was no no code tools.
This is what I was mentioning.
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Now you have the idea, okay,
first you need to find the
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developer, you need to find the
designer and then you need to
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bring these two people together
and then you need to start to do
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the coding and then you need to
come up with an MVP and this
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process was so long.
So Just to give you a sneak peek
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of this cohort, what we did.
All of us, we came somehow with
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ideas myself.
I came up with ideas during the
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course itself, but we were able
to finish it in just two weeks
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because the first two weeks is
just knowledge and then you have
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two weeks to come up with the
idea and build it.
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So this is very, very powerful
and this is where I want to ask
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you, I go the next question.
Now, how did you validate your
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MVP?
A idea.
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How did you get the feedback
that?
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Yeah.
But I'm trying to build
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something people might want.
Okay, I am right now just in the
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face, well, but they are a IMS
to build I am, but I am still.
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So Swope, I have loved any man
working.
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There should to be quicker.
I know they expel a little of my
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legs are developed very well.
I am a perfectionist Kelly.
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So that's a lot of my defects
and I'm worried From that.
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Okay.
So then to validate my best
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Spencer.
Yes tool collection or they may
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just you know, through the day.
Yeah well page, yes let's say in
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my humble opinion the a state
yet already have a base of beta
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users ready to test your tool to
give you some feedback?
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At the beginning.
So that's why measures that I'm
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still building but why I hope to
stop the building for the next
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week.
I hope nothing going slow or
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even because I built during the
building of a dam that the
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courser by Jim Palmer no-good.
Liar, Stone sugar and for the
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moment I am dinner.
And anyway, after this first
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step low, I I didn't I will get
on the feedback and I will try
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to improve them be and I wish
try to spread the word on ready
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to their own, the other
community on this car.
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The head, it will be the the
next in Stockton still seemed
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now to finish them.
Yeah, that's good.
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Uh, good luck with that but now
what What I want, what I want.
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What I want to ask you.
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No, dude.
I think the format of the of the
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course, you know, like the
course we had, the we had the
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week 0, where it was just
preparation, and then we had
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first week, second week, and so
on.
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So, In this, you know, for,
let's say, four to five weeks
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which week you think was the,
you know, most important week
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for you during the course. they
imported I'll have the most
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important to us for mean the one
where them bury and had his
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workshop, and there was some
wisdom gems about the startup -
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like thinkers do your first
hundred users I mean that you
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just a little bit.
Hello.
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Speak just build it.
That's not good.
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I hate dogs for me.
I should think more about the
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use of the final use it because
they they product she should
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give value to the final users.
Hey, I should not be able to
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just for the sake to build in
his own development as it is.
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I am and think to June to be
going deeper.
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For example there's there was an
exercise.
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So by then where are you start
with when generic oh yeah idea
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of your user and used tanks to
are the details?
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Yeah well this kind of abuse
that was outstanding for me.
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That was a lie.
A game changer about them, the
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mindset, where were you?
When you became this kind of
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thing.
And that's something that I you,
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I would like to think that I'm
running in the next week's
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school to be been about the
stand on streets.
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Yeah amazing yeah.
So to to add on what you are
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saying are going just for the
listeners or Whoever gonna watch
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this.
That's course I mean I'm not
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just praising the scores.
Any course, I mean the no code
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concept itself, what it would
teach you multiple things.
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One of the things that I go is
pointing to is you become a
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product manager.
A product manager is someone who
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is a bridge between the end-user
trying to understand these guys
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what they want, what the client
wants, what the customers want.
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And then you go convert this
into whatever you want to call
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it code.
You want to call it?
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No code.
It's up to you.
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So, this is I think the
importance of this course is
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that every one of us became a
product manager because you need
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to put.
And if you remember, Albert was
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in week, 3, I believe where we
had the scoping of the, of the,
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a of the MVP.
So you need at least to say,
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okay in the first version, call
it version 0, let's say or
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version 1 whatever you want so
you need to have Let's say at
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bare minimum, of course, sign
up.
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Sign in, I need to have I know
like you have this small bets
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thing I go.
So you know, I need to have that
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one, two, three.
This is must have and then you
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remove all the other things you
say.
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Okay, this is will come in the
future.
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So at least you create the
right.
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And then the next one, which is
a go was pointing to is you need
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to get feedback from users and
try to iterate based on the
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soap.
This is Very good.
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And I'm happy I go because you
are coming from a developer
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perspective because this is my
question to you, some people,
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you know, they, you know, Let's
say they are - but you know,
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they say oh you know what, this
no code is, was like a joke and
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there's nothing that could
replace.
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So yourself being gay coming
from a developer background,
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what you would say to someone
who's interested in no code.
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And his hearing these, you know,
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feature because anger is out
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there.
I am the one thinking.
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opportunity.
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still a some, some problem in
my, in my case, when I can read
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the good but I don't I have I
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phone.
Then part.
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So even if you can call the and
you want to go in the wide fun
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with the web applications, then
call this frickin fortune.
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being negative about this
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finger, I think, and it's a joke
game.
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I I don't think so and it all
Them when you ever outdoor
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resource.
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design, okay.
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time and a little budget just
fewer sources, you can you can
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to West that they're the most
important thing is the time.
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So they do they will hold the is
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He lies ahead but I think Ali so
little time hobbies and I
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totally know sheep but anything
related with the program they
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took possible for me, I don't
have the resources so I didn't
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put his chains to push it, more
deeper things so that's why I
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don't see negative aspect about
Yeah, yeah, to add to, what you
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are saying, I go and the way I
look at it, as it's all about,
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the no code movement, is to
enable people from non Tech
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background, and I would come
back to me and you, because
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both, we have technically
backgrounds, I will open another
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parentheses for this, but the
main idea is how someone who
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doesn't have a technical
background, can build an MVP and
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I highlight and underline the
word.
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P, which is minimal viable
product.
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So, because this guy, he's a
smart guy.
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He has a business idea, but he
doesn't know how she does.
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It knows how to code.
So MVP.
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So sorry, I have no code tools.
Help to bring these ideas to
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life right now later on what
will happen, that's another
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discussion now for technical
people like Al Gore myself and I
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will talk to you with my about
myself.
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I have the know-how right.
I know that.
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If I want, I can learn, for
example, I don't know react as a
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front-end.
I can learn, you know, some cool
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fancier.
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Yeah JS.
This vile thing.
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But but you know, by the time I
got to learn this, my idea will
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become outdated, right?
So you need to be fast to the
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market, you need to evaluate the
idea as fast as possible, and
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this is where it's important to
have the tools and Same same
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applies to to argue because I go
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Like, you have the back end
part.
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Not the front end.
I was bad at both.
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I would say, I have used lucky.
At least you have the back and I
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have no, the back and not the
front end.
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Actually, the front.
That is a bigger problem for me,
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and this is why, for example,
myself in during The Bootcamp.
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And now I'm still, I'm choosing
softer.
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Yes, I know it has maybe a few
limitations.
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I cannot customize it the way I
want, but it's okay.
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as you can see guys from this
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conversation that I'm having
with a go, don't be scared.
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Just start you know your idea
with no code can really become a
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reality in no time.
Really is in no time and this is
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why and this is will be a go our
rap last question for today.
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What advice do you give to
people who either are on a, you
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know, Choosing maybe to change
career is some people want to
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try something new.
And you know, they are looking
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for the snow code.
What, what do you advise them?
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What do you tell them?
You mean our region to you?
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Use the new condom?
Yes.
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And I can't.
Okay.
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And why to join and why to join
the hundred days of no code or
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similar programs?
Let's say okay it's the first
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thing, the place I think if you
have a kind of person like me
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that you have a lot of ideas but
you, um, door not dead.
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Damn, the change tool is to
build them to, to put it, put it
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in my biggest problem was and to
put their English idea.
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Where were here into your mind
to put in there in the real
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world if you're strong, you
usually are you have this
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problem to to feel less
confused, whether you want to
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have in friend, all in all this
kind of things about you.
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You can just All because of the
technical problems or don't have
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time you were Angela joined
because it's rare.
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Really like change.
It really.
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It gives you the the too low and
the possibility to prevent all
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of those things that it's a
no-brainer, no.
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You ship you should really take
the opportunity.
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Yeah and just to try to do not.
You said I'll go if you go like
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I'm not sure.
You know if my my audience if
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you are into for example,
Twitter little bit because I see
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this stuff more on Twitter
rather than other platforms.
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Maybe you can see it on.
I think that it has well, I'm
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not interested too much but I
know that it's there.
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So you see people And I you know
like we have examples from the
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boot camp graduates themselves.
That they came to the boot camp.
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They had no technical
background.
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They build products and guess
what?
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They sold them and they sold
them for good, good money.
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And you know, they they later on
they jumped on to the next, you
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know, business idea.
So it's not a bubble, it's not,
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you know, something fake.
It's something real.
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There is a real also like think
about it from a business
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perspective, it's a very good
way to start like a side hustle
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or I don't know what you want to
call it.
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So anyway, if you want to know
more, okay, you can you can get
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in touch so we can guide you,
whether I go or myself, we can
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get you in touch with the
hundred days of no code guys, as
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well.
They are our friends.
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So yeah, we will be more than
happy.
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I go at the end, I want to thank
you very much for being with me
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today on this episode for my
audience as usual.
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But I tell you, if you have any
comments, if you have any
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questions about this episode,
all about the show in general,
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You can reach out to me by
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Then if you have any ideas, if
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Hello, and welcome to a new
episode of the city of show with
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Matt.
Matt, my name is Matt.
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And as you know, in each
episode, I cover different
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topics from digital
transformation cybersecurity, no
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code Ai, and so on.
And some time I have with me
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gets who are thought leaders,
entrepreneurs, startup,
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Founders, who come to talk about
their experiences, what they are
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trying to do.
And today, I'm happy to have
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with me.
I'll go who was my colleague in
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the hundred days of no code
code?
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Hoard.
And the reason I thought that,
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you know, we would do this
episode because I wanted to
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share with my audience about the
experience that we had there and
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you know what are the things
that you can do.
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So thank you very much, I'll go
for taking the time, can you
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please just, you know, tell us
little bit about yourself and
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what brought you to the hundred
days of no code cohort.
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Short.
Hello.
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Mammon her often will all the
dates on Earth.
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Then that's the nice Journey
until now and this is something
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I never think to chill.
This is no called The Adventure
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that one.
How is that Arctic started by?
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It was a random thing on
December.
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I think that I I needed
something new for my projects, I
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like to drive around in my spare
time, something to do something
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should be in something to
create.
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And I I had a failed project,
mainly I, you don't share and I
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feel like they're working for
three years on this project.
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This was a good to you, too.
Charmin.
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You have single that the they
things change it during the
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years with you, but they YouTube
and way to change the and I lost
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a lot of people obviously
subscribers on my YouTube
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channel.
And so, I think that to stop the
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project and to start to start
something, you, I listened about
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the know, God, and is the
Dilemma where the, that was
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something that I was curious.
So, I tried I subscribe to the
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boot camp and it was something
that I can't explain like my
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comfort zone, my using my every
time I like learn and I started
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without to know, then the
English that this body in
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English and I didn't know they'd
break from that you had for them
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to be like bowel and I just
started and I can say that it
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was an amazing, amazing.
The people amazing.
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They are the experts amazing.
They are you the host of their
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can put, that was an awesome.
Yes.
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And until now, We are here the
method to to child, then, the
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yes, only prizren that they
actually were always so nice to
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speak with the bodies when
because their body shop may be
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made you something a bit
ambiguous nature.
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But I see that the trend late
Very, very provide thing in the
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future.
And so, let's kind of shift in
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a, my more videos today.
Nice segue.
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That's cool.
That's cool.
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So I'll go like that.
You had an idea before coming to
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The Bootcamp, or did you develop
the idea there?
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I am Mrs. Ty, I helped the idea
came to my mind for me, for some
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week because I am in the small
best community of the Daniel
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bustle.
And I had some idea about some
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project job tracker for form a
droids.
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I tried to use the nostril by
2000.
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It would be delicious.
Wait for me from for some
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reason.
So it was a good, a good.
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I go to re-home to to learn
Bible and the other knuckle to
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work, okay?
So do you use bubbly to build
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your MVP, right?
Yeah, yes.
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Okay and black formula P
because, you know, I was also
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there and even before joining
this discourse, I don't claim I
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was expelled but I used to see a
lot of no code tools but what
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really, I mean what was the
reason that you choose bubbly?
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You know not other tools.
Without which, what make
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couldn't the Bible was your
choice?
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Yeah.
Okay.
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As well as developing ditch
today.
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The closest finger to hold them
then posted it I use for my job.
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Okay.
I am amazed was developing so I
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advise a visual studio, my dad,
the role model for Or the
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integrated development
requirements for me to Bubble is
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something very, very similar in
some, I agree and in fun.
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Okay.
Okay, so just for the sake
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because maybe this people who
are interested in joining, you
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know, to just give them some
sneak peek out sake, what was,
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you know, the biggest challenge
for you but at the same time,
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how you cross this challenge,
how did you overcome?
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Come this challenge.
Okay, I am Island in a pile.
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They'll grind my picking
developer gauge, so I am a true
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actor to write the code, but
that day the visual a tricky for
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me, and the content is very
tricky.
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It's a when other end, if you
are vacant, developer it.
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So one other and works.
And that's a problem because the
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web today, Is all about the
front-end framework.
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And to learn that for me, it's
hard because I should, I should
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require some amount to 1 to M
plaster that so, for me, bubble
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and they don't want rules in
general, it's a, it's a way to
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speed up the feelings.
You you are you don't rest time.
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Jewel, Dragon are all day.
And then I opened the star.
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You have the idea for business
idea, and you go straight
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forward 3dmark, to test your
idea.
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That's amazing, man were here.
Yes, great, yeah.
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You have no idea machine.
I remember.
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And you have, when you have a
lot better idea, so I like you,
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you have the superpower that's
all for this week, that's the
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thing.
In saying that you feel should
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they were each idea?
It'll really to it takes months
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You should go to Denver Post.
That's how I must create me.
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So yeah.
You you have the speed?
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And change fast, you know, this
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I'll go is mentioning if you
have an idea back in the days,
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have technical knowledge.
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I know basic programming, I
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but I mean, right, web
applications, right?
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Think about, Out as they call it
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that time and then the Web 2.0.
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There was no no code tools.
This is what I was mentioning.
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Now you have the idea, okay,
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developer, you need to find the
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the coding and then you need to
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process was so long.
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of this cohort, what we did.
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I came up with ideas during the
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you, I go the next question.
Now, how did you validate your
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MVP?
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How did you get the feedback
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But I'm trying to build
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something people might want.
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face, well, but they are a IMS
to build I am, but I am still.
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There should to be quicker.
I know they expel a little of my
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legs are developed very well.
I am a perfectionist Kelly.
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So that's a lot of my defects
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So then to validate my best
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Spencer.
Yes tool collection or they may
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just you know, through the day.
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my humble opinion the a state
yet already have a base of beta
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users ready to test your tool to
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At the beginning.
So that's why measures that I'm
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still building but why I hope to
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week.
I hope nothing going slow or
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even because I built during the
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courser by Jim Palmer no-good.
Liar, Stone sugar and for the
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moment I am dinner.
And anyway, after this first
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step low, I I didn't I will get
on the feedback and I will try
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to improve them be and I wish
try to spread the word on ready
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to their own, the other
community on this car.
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The head, it will be the the
next in Stockton still seemed
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now to finish them.
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Uh, good luck with that but now
what What I want, what I want.
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What I want to ask you.
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No, dude.
I think the format of the of the
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course, you know, like the
course we had, the we had the
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week 0, where it was just
preparation, and then we had
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first week, second week, and so
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So, In this, you know, for,
let's say, four to five weeks
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which week you think was the,
you know, most important week
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for you during the course. they
imported I'll have the most
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important to us for mean the one
where them bury and had his
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workshop, and there was some
wisdom gems about the startup -
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like thinkers do your first
hundred users I mean that you
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just a little bit.
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Speak just build it.
That's not good.
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I hate dogs for me.
I should think more about the
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use of the final use it because
they they product she should
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give value to the final users.
Hey, I should not be able to
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just for the sake to build in
his own development as it is.
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I am and think to June to be
going deeper.
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For example there's there was an
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So by then where are you start
with when generic oh yeah idea
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of your user and used tanks to
are the details?
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Yeah well this kind of abuse
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That was a lie.
A game changer about them, the
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mindset, where were you?
When you became this kind of
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thing.
And that's something that I you,
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I would like to think that I'm
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school to be been about the
stand on streets.
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saying are going just for the
listeners or Whoever gonna watch
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this.
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just praising the scores.
Any course, I mean the no code
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concept itself, what it would
teach you multiple things.
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One of the things that I go is
pointing to is you become a
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product manager.
A product manager is someone who
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is a bridge between the end-user
trying to understand these guys
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what they want, what the client
wants, what the customers want.
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into whatever you want to call
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it code.
You want to call it?
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No code.
It's up to you.
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importance of this course is
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that every one of us became a
product manager because you need
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to put.
And if you remember, Albert was
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in week, 3, I believe where we
had the scoping of the, of the,
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a of the MVP.
So you need at least to say,
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okay in the first version, call
it version 0, let's say or
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version 1 whatever you want so
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bare minimum, of course, sign
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Sign in, I need to have I know
like you have this small bets
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thing I go.
So you know, I need to have that
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one, two, three.
This is must have and then you
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remove all the other things you
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Okay, this is will come in the
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So at least you create the
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to get feedback from users and
try to iterate based on the
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soap.
This is Very good.
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And I'm happy I go because you
are coming from a developer
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perspective because this is my
question to you, some people,
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you know, they, you know, Let's
say they are - but you know,
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they say oh you know what, this
no code is, was like a joke and
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there's nothing that could
replace.
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So yourself being gay coming
from a developer background,
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what you would say to someone
who's interested in no code.
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And his hearing these, you know,
opinions?
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Okay, that's added fat, cool
feature because anger is out
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there.
I am the one thinking.
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Yeah, they know God is an
opportunity.
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There were four technical have
not an undercover be.
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If you had a technique, I think
about people like me, you're
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still a some, some problem in
my, in my case, when I can read
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the good but I don't I have I
struggle really about today, the
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phone.
Then part.
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So even if you can call the and
you want to go in the wide fun
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with the web applications, then
call this frickin fortune.
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being negative about this
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finger, I think, and it's a joke
game.
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I I don't think so and it all
Them when you ever outdoor
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resource.
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You would you could say, Okay I
I learned to program your
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design, okay.
But when you have that little
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time and a little budget just
fewer sources, you can you can
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to West that they're the most
important thing is the time.
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So they do they will hold the is
is really important.
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He lies ahead but I think Ali so
little time hobbies and I
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totally know sheep but anything
related with the program they
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took possible for me, I don't
have the resources so I didn't
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put his chains to push it, more
deeper things so that's why I
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don't see negative aspect about
Yeah, yeah, to add to, what you
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are saying, I go and the way I
look at it, as it's all about,
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the no code movement, is to
enable people from non Tech
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background, and I would come
back to me and you, because
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both, we have technically
backgrounds, I will open another
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parentheses for this, but the
main idea is how someone who
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doesn't have a technical
background, can build an MVP and
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I highlight and underline the
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P, which is minimal viable
product.
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So, because this guy, he's a
smart guy.
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He has a business idea, but he
doesn't know how she does.
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It knows how to code.
So MVP.
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So sorry, I have no code tools.
Help to bring these ideas to
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life right now later on what
will happen, that's another
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discussion now for technical
people like Al Gore myself and I
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will talk to you with my about
myself.
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I have the know-how right.
I know that.
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If I want, I can learn, for
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front-end.
I can learn, you know, some cool
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fancier.
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Yeah JS.
This vile thing.
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But but you know, by the time I
got to learn this, my idea will
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become outdated, right?
So you need to be fast to the
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market, you need to evaluate the
idea as fast as possible, and
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this is where it's important to
have the tools and Same same
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applies to to argue because I go
and suit from you.
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Like, you have the back end
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Not the front end.
I was bad at both.
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I would say, I have used lucky.
At least you have the back and I
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have no, the back and not the
front end.
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Actually, the front.
That is a bigger problem for me,
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and this is why, for example,
myself in during The Bootcamp.
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And now I'm still, I'm choosing
softer.
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Yes, I know it has maybe a few
limitations.
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I cannot customize it the way I
want, but it's okay.
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You know like and this is where
as you can see guys from this
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conversation that I'm having
with a go, don't be scared.
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Just start you know your idea
with no code can really become a
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reality in no time.
Really is in no time and this is
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why and this is will be a go our
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What advice do you give to
people who either are on a, you
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know, Choosing maybe to change
career is some people want to
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try something new.
And you know, they are looking
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for the snow code.
What, what do you advise them?
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What do you tell them?
You mean our region to you?
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Use the new condom?
Yes.
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And I can't.
Okay.
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And why to join and why to join
the hundred days of no code or
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similar programs?
Let's say okay it's the first
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thing, the place I think if you
have a kind of person like me
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that you have a lot of ideas but
you, um, door not dead.
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Damn, the change tool is to
build them to, to put it, put it
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in my biggest problem was and to
put their English idea.
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Where were here into your mind
to put in there in the real
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world if you're strong, you
usually are you have this
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problem to to feel less
confused, whether you want to
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have in friend, all in all this
kind of things about you.
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You can just All because of the
technical problems or don't have
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time you were Angela joined
because it's rare.
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Really like change.
It really.
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It gives you the the too low and
the possibility to prevent all
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of those things that it's a
no-brainer, no.
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You ship you should really take
the opportunity.
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Yeah and just to try to do not.
You said I'll go if you go like
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I'm not sure.
You know if my my audience if
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you are into for example,
Twitter little bit because I see
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this stuff more on Twitter
rather than other platforms.
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Maybe you can see it on.
I think that it has well, I'm
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not interested too much but I
know that it's there.
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So you see people And I you know
like we have examples from the
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boot camp graduates themselves.
That they came to the boot camp.
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They had no technical
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They build products and guess
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They sold them and they sold
them for good, good money.
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And you know, they they later on
they jumped on to the next, you
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know, business idea.
So it's not a bubble, it's not,
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you know, something fake.
It's something real.
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about it from a business
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perspective, it's a very good
way to start like a side hustle
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or I don't know what you want to
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So anyway, if you want to know
more, okay, you can you can get
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in touch so we can guide you,
whether I go or myself, we can
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