April 5, 2023
#84 Building an MVP for Finding Vegan Donuts with Jackie Kerzner graduate of the 100daysofnocode cohort 5
In this episode, I speak with Jackie, a fellow member of the 100daysofnocode cohort, about her experience building an MVP for finding vegan donuts. We discuss her motivation for joining the course, her approach to designing the MVP, the challenges she faced and overcame, and how she validated the idea. Jackie also shares her thoughts on what people can expect from joining no-code courses and her plans for the MVP.
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Hello and welcome to a new
episode of the city of show in
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Miami.
My name is Muhammad.
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And as you know, in each episode
I cover different topics from
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digital transformation
cybersecurity a, I know code and
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so on.
And sometimes also I have with
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me guests but today guest is a
special guest because we were
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colleagues in the hundred days
of no code together.
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And I'm doing this series where
I will be interviewing a couple
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of other colleagues as well.
And we'll talk a little bit
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about the experience about the
motive.
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So, Jackie, Thank you very much
for being with me today.
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If you can just give a quick
introduction and then we'll take
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it forward from that.
Sure.
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My name is Jackie cursor.
I have a background in
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organizational, performance and
strategy.
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And my specialty is in solving
weird complex problems for
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organizations and people and
leveraging opportunities.
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And that is a really nice
appetizer for falling in love
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with no code.
I think the two things really go
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together.
Well, yeah, that's good.
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Actually, this will bring to me
the first question, I know that
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it was your third time, right?
Yes.
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So what was the first time?
What inspired you to join this
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discourse?
Like, what when are the goals?
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I mean, you are trying to
achieve.
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So the first time I joined was
really almost by accident.
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So I was in a fellowship through
a company called On Deck, they
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are an ecosystem unto themselves
in the startup world and on Deck
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had one of their fellowships
that specialized in no code.
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And I attended a session with
the lead of that program who was
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talking about all the cool
things you can do with no code
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and my brain just kind of
exploded and from the first five
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minutes of that session.
So the end of the hour, I just
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felt like I felt lit up.
I felt electrified and ended the
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session.
My very excitedly sent a message
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to the person who hosted.
I said, what do I need to do to
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get started with no code?
I really need us.
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I need something structured.
I know myself.
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Well, I can't just do this on my
own, and she said, you need to
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get in touch.
With the 100 days, no code team
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and see if you can sign up for
their stuff.
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And right away, I messaged Max
and it changed my life.
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It's been a whirlwind of a
journey.
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So, yeah, that's cool.
And, you know, this is the same
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feedback I hear from anyone that
see the no code for the first
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time even myself, I have little
bit background.
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I'm not a colder at, you know?
But the moment I started to see
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what you can do, really, as you
said, it's mind-blowing.
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Going.
So let's talk about the last one
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because I know like you had like
two experiences but I want to
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focus on the last chord that we
had.
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So how did you approach
designing and building, you
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know, your MVP during the
program?
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Like what tools and platform did
you use?
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So I think my response to that
really has to take me back to
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the boot camp.
Fire to that yesterday was the
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MVP that I'd built during boot
camp to had a stack that used
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are table and softer.
But I did not realize that my
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project really involved a lot of
research and so what happened
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was I end up doing a research
project instead of building a
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project that makes sense.
I kind of got stuck in having to
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do all the legwork to create my
data to Into are table.
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And so just based on the
timeline of the boot camp, I
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sort of ran out of time.
I felt like I was trapped in are
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table and so, I sort of had to
finagle my MVP to create a
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front-end is softer without
actually connected my data to
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soccer.
So, when I came back to the next
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boot camp, I had a very clear
strategy about what I needed to
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do differently.
I didn't want to make the same
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mistakes, I made Camp to so I
wanted the same stack because
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I'm obsessed with are table.
Softer, I there's so much you
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can do with those tools and I'm
really even though I've been in
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the no code space for eight
months, I'm I still see myself
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very much as a beginner.
And so, I really wanted to just
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focus on those two tools and
really just tone in and ignore
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everything else.
And so, that was what I decided
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I was going to commit to when I
came back to the third boot
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camp.
So I did exactly that.
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I ignored some of the tools
other people were working on
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like a dollar, which is great,
but it wasn't the right fit.
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For me, and I focused on getting
myself further and faster into
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softer that I had done in a
second boot camp and it paid off
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and it allowed me to add in
another tool that I really
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wanted, which was a scraper.
Yeah, exactly.
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Like a, this is one of the
things and this I'm saying to to
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the audience, one of the
benefits you joining, you know,
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such courses, you get guidance
like it's not the traditional
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way.
Someone open PowerPoint slides
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and you get born and you don't
know what to do next.
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So it's they will guide you
about.
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The tool and they will tell you
which tool will fit your idea.
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So this is what happened to me
also as well.
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And this, what happened to you
Jackie?
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Now, you mentioned some some
challenges like, during the last
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one.
What was I remember?
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I want you to tell it to the
audience.
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I you faced some challenges
during, you know, building the
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MVP but you overcame them.
So what can you talk about that?
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The part where you are trying to
find some some data?
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Yes, so the mdp that I built in
the third boot camp which is
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still the MVP that I'm working
on and it's what I want to turn
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into a business.
It involves me having data that
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I don't have access to, right?
So I had to have a way to get
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the data.
So I knew that as somebody who's
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building a business directory,
which is basically like Yelp.
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But for a very niche market,
it's for vegan donut shops.
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I knew that I needed to have a
list all over the world of donut
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shops, and I don't have a way to
get that done.
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I'm going to spend a lot of time
on the internet manually
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searching for things.
So, I first thing I knew was
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that I would have to learn
scraping tool that would allow
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me to scrape Google Maps, so
that I could get names of
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prospects that I could
potentially add to my directory.
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So that was a hurdle for me
figuring out, which scraping
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tool that I needed, and I had
actually done that work prior to
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the boot camp.
So that was a proactive choice.
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I made as a result of learning
lessons.
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I had learned in the second boot
camp, so I already knew new,
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which scraping tool I was going
to use, but that had taken a few
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months prior to the boot camp
for me to decide.
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So, creating the time to learn
that tool on top of learning how
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to get far enough and softer
prior to that was a challenge
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for me.
My big challenge in the boot
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camp was I didn't feel
proficient enough with softer
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even though it's an easier, no
code to land some of the others
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to learn.
You still have to learn the
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tool, right?
You have to learn how to use
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them.
All you have to learn, it's like
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learning to play a musical
instrument, most people don't
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just sit down and start playing,
you know, a concerto.
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You have to learn where the keys
already, have to learn the names
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of the keys.
You have to learn parts of a
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song.
So it's like that, with
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learning, no code software to.
So I wanted to speed up my time
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with learning the software.
I wanted to speed up how quickly
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I could go from 0 to 1, which is
not a skill set that I really
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have in my day-to-day job.
So that was a challenge.
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Also, I think a challenge, I had
that a lot of People have in the
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boot camp is just real real life
gets in the way of the intensity
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of the boot camp work is time.
Consuming real life is
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time-consuming kids, family,
whatever you have going on and
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that can really throw people
off.
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I think in the boot camp there,
people who give up and so that
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wasn't something I was going to
allow to happen.
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So I would say that was a hurdle
that I learned the third time
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because I had struggled with
that and some of the other boot
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camps.
Dad, that's very, I would say
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informative and just like That's
something for people who are
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listening or will be watching
this and you might hear that.
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Yeah, you know, God is nice cool
but you cannot do anything with
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it.
Of course, it's not a full
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fledge coding thing, right?
But as you have heard, like,
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when you have a challenge, there
are a lot of tools nowadays that
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can allow you, you know, to
integrate with apis that allow
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you to go find information.
And I think, you know, Jackie,
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she used it because she showed
us the, you know, the, the MVP,
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the way.
A she's claimed the data so she
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used a tool and at the end of
the day where she were able to
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integrate that with the softer
and are table part.
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So what I want to tell everyone
don't like prejudge no code.
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Of course it's not like a
full-fledged programming thing
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but really you can build a very
solid MVP and this is you know
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my second daughter, next
question to you.
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As like that idea, right?
So how did you come up with that
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with the?
How did you validate it and how
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you are, you know, saying yeah,
this might be something that can
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go big or can be a real
business.
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Well, I already knew prior to
the boot camp that I wanted to
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have a real business that I
would build over time.
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I knew that this was a long
game, this was not just a fun
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project to throw into the boot
camp and there's nothing wrong
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with doing that because people
do it all the time, right?
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It's fun to learn how to build
things, but I knew that this was
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something that had legs.
I knew that this was this is a
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market that has a need that
hasn't been met before and I'm
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part of that community and I
have been my whole life so I
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know this Market very well.
Well, and I'm also a customer in
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this market, so I didn't have to
do a whole lot of validation
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because I've known my I've known
for 30 years that there was a
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need for this, right?
I think that part of building
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something like a business
directory, which is what I'm
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building.
It's a very stable concept,
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right?
I mean that's what Yelp is built
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on.
There are all kinds of.
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That's what Angie's List is
built on, right?
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It's very common to have
businesses.
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Need to have people pipelined
into there.
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Doors so that they can sell to
them.
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So you really have a two-sided
market place.
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So that that doesn't need a
whole lot of validation in and
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of itself because that's always
going to be a need businesses.
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Need customers, customers need
businesses but figuring out how
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to create an MVP that would work
for this kind of Market was part
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of, you know, the work of
figuring out how to do the
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project.
And I think the other thing that
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sort of speaks to what you said,
a minute ago is that, That I
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already know that this MVP has a
limitation because I need real
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features that I can't build on
anyone.
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Right?
I need software Engineers, who
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know how to build things like, I
can't invent a QR code by
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myself, right?
So I know that my MVP is only
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going to exist as an MVP before
I switch to some other software.
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That is not no code software,
but I already had that as a
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plan, right?
So I already know, I have to
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optimize the MVP for Or early
buy-in for early adopters, to
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help, get some early revenue.
And then eventually, I'll let go
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of the MVP and I'll switch to
something else.
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So going back to what you said a
minute ago.
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For people who say no code,
can't do everything, that's
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true, can't do everything.
But if you know, when to
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optimize no code and when to
transition it into something
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else, it gives you a lot of time
to figure out how to do that
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wisely.
I think is one of the benefits.
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I don't know if that question
but but you did well, two things
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which I wanted to hear from you.
And actually you said that.
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So first regarding, you know,
the idea of course Myself, I did
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two things.
Two MVPs one.
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It was like fun, right?
And one just because I want to
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see how I can let chat GPT be
integrated in any app.
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And the second one was kind of a
real problem for me.
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highlight that coming up with
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the idea.
You just start to ask yourself
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course Does fantastic job in
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getting all resources for you to
see how others came up with
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their ideas, and they give you a
framework on how to generate
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ideas.
Now, the other thing that I want
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to add also as well regarding,
you know, the MVP and because
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you said something exactly to
the point I wanted to hear like,
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maybe at some stage, we would
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build that.
But guess what?
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Because I have an experience
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This was That the inspect maybe
and you know, at that time there
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was nothing like no code today,
right?
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So, there was some few tools but
nothing similar to what we have
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So what we need to do is we need
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to sketch on paper and then just
to try to explain to someone how
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this should work and it was very
tough now with no code tool.
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works it's not something which
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is just a fake, you know,
sequence of buttons and it's
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something walking, but yeah.
It needs some feature to be
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And this, I believe makes also
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the developer job much easier
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something working on front of
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Oh, I get what you're saying.
Okay, now I understand the logic
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and then all what they have to
do, maybe to optimize the URI.
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They need to optimize the ux
usual experience and maybe they
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need to optimize the back end as
well.
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So this is completely fine guys,
don't be scared.
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Don't think from day one.
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How I would, you know, I think I
would need The and thousand
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users that they will come to the
database.
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Don't think about that.
Now this will come later on, you
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can optimize things.
Once you have a working MVP and
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you will be shocked.
If you followed the space you
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would see people actually will
have Bill fully or no code tools
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SAS applications and they are
doing.
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Don't know I've seen myself
hundred K per month.
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Mr are month.
Recurring Revenue.
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So back to our discussion
jacket, Yes, I have two
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questions for you.
So how do you think I mean,
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photo self and for everyone in
general.
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How do you think such courses?
Like the hundred days of no code
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can impact career professional
lives?
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And you know, what do you think
the experience that everyone can
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get from from these courses?
I think it really depends on
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which, which experience you
participate in.
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And that's part of why I came
back to this three times, I mean
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that, and I've joked about that,
but that's a metric, right?
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It's not typical for somebody to
return twice or three times to
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an experience because there,
they just keep getting value out
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of it.
And I think that speaks to the
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design of the boot.
Can I think that people need to
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know themselves enough and know
their learning where they're out
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on their Learning Journey to
know, which kind of Your eyes.
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They need the boot camp, is
really a boot camp, and I think
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that's something that people
need to understand an advanced.
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I think it is dangerous for
people to come into this
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thinking.
It's a course, because it's not.
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And as somebody who's got a very
long background in Learning and
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Development, I already knew what
a boot camp was because I've
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designed them before.
So people need to recognize
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that, this is a very intense
experience.
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You jump in right away and you
start building.
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This is not the introduction to
no code, spend a month on that,
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right?
It's this isn't about baby
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steps.
This is about jump in, learn how
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to build will teach you what you
need and then you go because at
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the end of the day, they want to
transform your ability to build
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something, right?
It's about walking out, having
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built something that actually
works.
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So I think if people are at a
point where they feel like they,
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they really want to be building
and not just learning Concepts
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that the boot camp would be
great for them if they're
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somebody who wants to do a deep
dive into a specific project.
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Idea that they have the boot
camp is great for them.
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If there's somebody who has no
background at all and no code,
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you can still come to the boot
camp.
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I had no background at all and
no code and it's just such a
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motivating, exciting thing to
participate in.
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It's very, it's very rewarding
as soon as you get into it,
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right.
It's very it might be
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frustrating to be learning
because you're new at it but As
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soon as you build something you
realize oh my gosh, I built
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something.
Now, I want to build something
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else.
It just keeps be getting a
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desire to keep going.
And I think for people who come
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to the boot camp worried that
they're not gonna be able to
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build because they're new to
this.
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I would tell them not to have
that fear.
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I think you just have to be
willing to feel uncomfortable or
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feel a little stressed out and
just go with it.
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It's worth.
It's so worth joining.
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I can't speak.
Highly enough about this.
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There are other experiences that
are more like a, just a course,
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right words, just self-paced and
you watch some videos and you
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learn software, and that has
Merit to, that was How I Learned
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are table.
But I think if you're somebody
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who really wants to walk away
having built something from
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scratch that you created the
boot camp is, is the way to go.
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Yeah, I agree with you and for
someone like me who who doesn't
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like to watch videos and even at
10 classical courses, this is a
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perfect one.
Cause I'm it's my opinion.
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I believe like you can learn by
doing and then once you start to
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face the problems you can solve
them out one by one.
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So two objectives set is the, we
are calling it calls but it's a
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boot camp actually.
And the reason because I asked
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Max and Harold about, you know,
putting the way they designed
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this.
So they want you to be under
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have not called pressure, but
like a really life scenario
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where hey, someone came to you.
You have 28 days for weeks to
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come up with a running MVP.
It's the best way that can push
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you actually to build something.
Now, it might not be the best
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thing.
For example, mind, I can tell
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you, I did 0u, I know design, it
was just the functionality, so I
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can show people that, there's
something working, which is
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fine, because now I have the
time to do this, right?
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And the second thing because you
said, it's not for everyone.
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Yes, it's not for everyone, not
because Have you ought, but if
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you are not kind of ready to
take the challenge and, you
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know, you just want something
easy that someone does the job
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for you and there's to complete
tasks.
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I would like it's not like a
course and homework and
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assignment.
It's not this, it's real world,
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it's all about you.
You take the project home.
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If you want to think like
college and you have to do the
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project and bring back and show
it to you to your teacher or
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whatever and colleagues.
So this is the one Now, finally
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question for you, Jackie, I
mean, maybe you answered this
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but again I want I want to hear
it.
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Hear from you again.
What is next for you with the
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with this MVP?
Like what do you think it can
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range?
I want it to reach the world.
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I mean, my goal is to have a
global directory at what's next
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for me is scrape a couple more
States.
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So I scraped a stayed here in
the US, I want to have two more
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States in there so that I have
more data because this is such
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an each directory that there's
not a lot of data already,
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right?
That it is a very unique market
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and then I want to start talking
to potential customers and
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getting some early beta testers,
who are willing to stay on board
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with me, for the Long Haul, and
always give me feedback and I
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can worry about finding
customers for revenues.
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So did you stop the distort tool
to share it with someone to have
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a look on what you bailed or
not?
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Yet I have shared it with people
who will be and users.
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So people who will want to use
the directory to find
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businesses.
But I have not shared it yet
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with businesses.
Who would be paying subscribers
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yet because how was the
feedback?
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I'm just wondering.
Oh, people are excited.
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Okay, this is excited.
That's it guys.
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Like, you can see, you know, the
reason I I asked this question
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in this sequence because I want
you to see that first Jackie
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found a problem that she
herself, he cabin.
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First second, she knows that she
can't solve it with MVP.
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Of course, there are challenges
down the road so I'm just
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showing you the sequence that
will happen.
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Maybe you will feel oh, I will
give up, but don't okay, you go
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to ask this, what I did, by the
way, also, as well in one of the
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MVPs one day I get stuck.
I thought that this is not
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possible and Arrested for couple
of hours and then I came back
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and then I found the solution.
So this is one of the things you
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can be trained for it.
In your mind that, yes, it can
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be done.
And then at the end, you can see
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all of us.
Majority of us.
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We share the ideas with other
people.
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I shared it on Twitter and
children can with a couple of
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other people and actually at
happened.
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People?
Yeah, we we need this.
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Yes.
So you can validate and that's
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the best place if you dream to
become an entrepreneur.
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If If you dream to become a
solopreneur now they call them.
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So this is the first step
because you need to start
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building and it's a really
highly recommended kind of
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course and with this I will come
to anything.
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You want to say, check in before
we close.
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Yeah, I will say for people who
it speaks to what you just said
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a minute ago, for people who
think, I don't have an idea.
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I don't know what I would
billable if you focus on
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problems, you have had that you
have experienced problems that,
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you know, well, I think people
would be shocked by how powerful
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solution they can create.
And that's one of the most
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exciting things about the boot
camp is that when you're on demo
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day and you see all the things
that everybody else has built,
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its like that person was born to
solve that problem.
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They like, Nobody can create the
thing that they created and they
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were what they made is a perfect
solution for the problem.
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It shows you that everybody's an
expert in some sort of problem,
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so people think that they don't
have a problem to solve, or they
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don't know what to build.
Think, think about your life,
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think about what you have faced
challenges in your workplace, in
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a personal, if you can build
something that can solve
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problems for people, and
hopefully, that could be
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monetized.
Yeah, 100% agree.
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Well, thank you Jackie with so
much for joining me.
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I know it's early little bit for
him.
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feedback, if you have any
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questions about this episode or
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I'll be more than happy to
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And until we meet next time,
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Hello and welcome to a new
episode of the city of show in
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Miami.
My name is Muhammad.
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And as you know, in each episode
I cover different topics from
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digital transformation
cybersecurity a, I know code and
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so on.
And sometimes also I have with
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me guests but today guest is a
special guest because we were
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colleagues in the hundred days
of no code together.
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And I'm doing this series where
I will be interviewing a couple
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of other colleagues as well.
And we'll talk a little bit
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about the experience about the
motive.
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So, Jackie, Thank you very much
for being with me today.
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If you can just give a quick
introduction and then we'll take
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it forward from that.
Sure.
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My name is Jackie cursor.
I have a background in
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organizational, performance and
strategy.
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And my specialty is in solving
weird complex problems for
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organizations and people and
leveraging opportunities.
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And that is a really nice
appetizer for falling in love
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with no code.
I think the two things really go
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together.
Well, yeah, that's good.
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the first question, I know that
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it was your third time, right?
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So what was the first time?
What inspired you to join this
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discourse?
Like, what when are the goals?
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I mean, you are trying to
achieve.
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So the first time I joined was
really almost by accident.
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So I was in a fellowship through
a company called On Deck, they
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are an ecosystem unto themselves
in the startup world and on Deck
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had one of their fellowships
that specialized in no code.
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And I attended a session with
the lead of that program who was
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talking about all the cool
things you can do with no code
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and my brain just kind of
exploded and from the first five
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minutes of that session.
So the end of the hour, I just
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felt like I felt lit up.
I felt electrified and ended the
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session.
My very excitedly sent a message
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to the person who hosted.
I said, what do I need to do to
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get started with no code?
I really need us.
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I need something structured.
I know myself.
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Well, I can't just do this on my
own, and she said, you need to
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get in touch.
With the 100 days, no code team
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and see if you can sign up for
their stuff.
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And right away, I messaged Max
and it changed my life.
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It's been a whirlwind of a
journey.
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So, yeah, that's cool.
And, you know, this is the same
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feedback I hear from anyone that
see the no code for the first
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time even myself, I have little
bit background.
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I'm not a colder at, you know?
But the moment I started to see
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what you can do, really, as you
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Going.
So let's talk about the last one
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because I know like you had like
two experiences but I want to
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focus on the last chord that we
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So how did you approach
designing and building, you
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know, your MVP during the
program?
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Like what tools and platform did
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So I think my response to that
really has to take me back to
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the boot camp.
Fire to that yesterday was the
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MVP that I'd built during boot
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are table and softer.
But I did not realize that my
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project really involved a lot of
research and so what happened
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was I end up doing a research
project instead of building a
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project that makes sense.
I kind of got stuck in having to
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do all the legwork to create my
data to Into are table.
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And so just based on the
timeline of the boot camp, I
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sort of ran out of time.
I felt like I was trapped in are
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table and so, I sort of had to
finagle my MVP to create a
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front-end is softer without
actually connected my data to
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soccer.
So, when I came back to the next
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boot camp, I had a very clear
strategy about what I needed to
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do differently.
I didn't want to make the same
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mistakes, I made Camp to so I
wanted the same stack because
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I'm obsessed with are table.
Softer, I there's so much you
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can do with those tools and I'm
really even though I've been in
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the no code space for eight
months, I'm I still see myself
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very much as a beginner.
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focus on those two tools and
really just tone in and ignore
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everything else.
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I was going to commit to when I
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camp.
So I did exactly that.
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I ignored some of the tools
other people were working on
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like a dollar, which is great,
but it wasn't the right fit.
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For me, and I focused on getting
myself further and faster into
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softer that I had done in a
second boot camp and it paid off
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and it allowed me to add in
another tool that I really
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wanted, which was a scraper.
Yeah, exactly.
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Like a, this is one of the
things and this I'm saying to to
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the audience, one of the
benefits you joining, you know,
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such courses, you get guidance
like it's not the traditional
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way.
Someone open PowerPoint slides
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and you get born and you don't
know what to do next.
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So it's they will guide you
about.
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The tool and they will tell you
which tool will fit your idea.
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also as well.
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And this, what happened to you
Jackie?
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Now, you mentioned some some
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one.
What was I remember?
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I want you to tell it to the
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I you faced some challenges
during, you know, building the
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MVP but you overcame them.
So what can you talk about that?
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The part where you are trying to
find some some data?
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Yes, so the mdp that I built in
the third boot camp which is
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still the MVP that I'm working
on and it's what I want to turn
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into a business.
It involves me having data that
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I don't have access to, right?
So I had to have a way to get
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the data.
So I knew that as somebody who's
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building a business directory,
which is basically like Yelp.
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But for a very niche market,
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I knew that I needed to have a
list all over the world of donut
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shops, and I don't have a way to
get that done.
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I'm going to spend a lot of time
on the internet manually
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searching for things.
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that I would have to learn
scraping tool that would allow
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me to scrape Google Maps, so
that I could get names of
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prospects that I could
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figuring out, which scraping
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tool that I needed, and I had
actually done that work prior to
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the boot camp.
So that was a proactive choice.
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I made as a result of learning
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I had learned in the second boot
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which scraping tool I was going
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months prior to the boot camp
for me to decide.
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So, creating the time to learn
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to get far enough and softer
prior to that was a challenge
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for me.
My big challenge in the boot
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camp was I didn't feel
proficient enough with softer
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even though it's an easier, no
code to land some of the others
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to learn.
You still have to learn the
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tool, right?
You have to learn how to use
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them.
All you have to learn, it's like
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learning to play a musical
instrument, most people don't
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just sit down and start playing,
you know, a concerto.
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You have to learn where the keys
already, have to learn the names
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of the keys.
You have to learn parts of a
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song.
So it's like that, with
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learning, no code software to.
So I wanted to speed up my time
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with learning the software.
I wanted to speed up how quickly
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I could go from 0 to 1, which is
not a skill set that I really
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have in my day-to-day job.
So that was a challenge.
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Also, I think a challenge, I had
that a lot of People have in the
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boot camp is just real real life
gets in the way of the intensity
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of the boot camp work is time.
Consuming real life is
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time-consuming kids, family,
whatever you have going on and
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that can really throw people
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I think in the boot camp there,
people who give up and so that
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wasn't something I was going to
allow to happen.
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So I would say that was a hurdle
that I learned the third time
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because I had struggled with
that and some of the other boot
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camps.
Dad, that's very, I would say
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informative and just like That's
something for people who are
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listening or will be watching
this and you might hear that.
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Yeah, you know, God is nice cool
but you cannot do anything with
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it.
Of course, it's not a full
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fledge coding thing, right?
But as you have heard, like,
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when you have a challenge, there
are a lot of tools nowadays that
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can allow you, you know, to
integrate with apis that allow
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you to go find information.
And I think, you know, Jackie,
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she used it because she showed
us the, you know, the, the MVP,
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the way.
A she's claimed the data so she
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used a tool and at the end of
the day where she were able to
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integrate that with the softer
and are table part.
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So what I want to tell everyone
don't like prejudge no code.
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Of course it's not like a
full-fledged programming thing
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but really you can build a very
solid MVP and this is you know
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my second daughter, next
question to you.
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As like that idea, right?
So how did you come up with that
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with the?
How did you validate it and how
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you are, you know, saying yeah,
this might be something that can
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go big or can be a real
business.
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Well, I already knew prior to
the boot camp that I wanted to
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have a real business that I
would build over time.
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I knew that this was a long
game, this was not just a fun
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project to throw into the boot
camp and there's nothing wrong
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with doing that because people
do it all the time, right?
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It's fun to learn how to build
things, but I knew that this was
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something that had legs.
I knew that this was this is a
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market that has a need that
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part of that community and I
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know this Market very well.
Well, and I'm also a customer in
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this market, so I didn't have to
do a whole lot of validation
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because I've known my I've known
for 30 years that there was a
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need for this, right?
I think that part of building
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something like a business
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building.
It's a very stable concept,
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right?
I mean that's what Yelp is built
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on.
There are all kinds of.
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That's what Angie's List is
built on, right?
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It's very common to have
businesses.
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Need to have people pipelined
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Doors so that they can sell to
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So you really have a two-sided
market place.
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So that that doesn't need a
whole lot of validation in and
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of itself because that's always
going to be a need businesses.
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Need customers, customers need
businesses but figuring out how
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to create an MVP that would work
for this kind of Market was part
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of, you know, the work of
figuring out how to do the
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project.
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sort of speaks to what you said,
a minute ago is that, That I
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already know that this MVP has a
limitation because I need real
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features that I can't build on
anyone.
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Right?
I need software Engineers, who
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know how to build things like, I
can't invent a QR code by
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myself, right?
So I know that my MVP is only
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going to exist as an MVP before
I switch to some other software.
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That is not no code software,
but I already had that as a
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plan, right?
So I already know, I have to
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optimize the MVP for Or early
buy-in for early adopters, to
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help, get some early revenue.
And then eventually, I'll let go
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of the MVP and I'll switch to
something else.
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For people who say no code,
can't do everything, that's
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true, can't do everything.
But if you know, when to
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optimize no code and when to
transition it into something
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else, it gives you a lot of time
to figure out how to do that
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wisely.
I think is one of the benefits.
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I don't know if that question
but but you did well, two things
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which I wanted to hear from you.
And actually you said that.
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So first regarding, you know,
the idea of course Myself, I did
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two things.
Two MVPs one.
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It was like fun, right?
And one just because I want to
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see how I can let chat GPT be
integrated in any app.
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And the second one was kind of a
real problem for me.
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highlight that coming up with
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the idea.
You just start to ask yourself
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and this is where also the
course Does fantastic job in
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getting all resources for you to
see how others came up with
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their ideas, and they give you a
framework on how to generate
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ideas.
Now, the other thing that I want
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to add also as well regarding,
you know, the MVP and because
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you said something exactly to
the point I wanted to hear like,
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maybe at some stage, we would
need some software Engineers to
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build that.
But guess what?
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before where I had an idea.
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This was That the inspect maybe
and you know, at that time there
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was nothing like no code today,
right?
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So, there was some few tools but
nothing similar to what we have
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today.
So what we need to do is we need
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to sketch on paper and then just
to try to explain to someone how
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this should work and it was very
tough now with no code tool.
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works it's not something which
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is just a fake, you know,
sequence of buttons and it's
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something walking, but yeah.
It needs some feature to be
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added on.
And this, I believe makes also
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the developer job much easier
because when he or she will see
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something working on front of
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Oh, I get what you're saying.
Okay, now I understand the logic
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and then all what they have to
do, maybe to optimize the URI.
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They need to optimize the ux
usual experience and maybe they
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need to optimize the back end as
well.
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So this is completely fine guys,
don't be scared.
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Don't think from day one.
Okay.
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How I would, you know, I think I
would need The and thousand
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users that they will come to the
database.
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Don't think about that.
Now this will come later on, you
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can optimize things.
Once you have a working MVP and
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you will be shocked.
If you followed the space you
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would see people actually will
have Bill fully or no code tools
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SAS applications and they are
doing.
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Don't know I've seen myself
hundred K per month.
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Mr are month.
Recurring Revenue.
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So back to our discussion
jacket, Yes, I have two
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questions for you.
So how do you think I mean,
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photo self and for everyone in
general.
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How do you think such courses?
Like the hundred days of no code
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can impact career professional
lives?
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And you know, what do you think
the experience that everyone can
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get from from these courses?
I think it really depends on
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which, which experience you
participate in.
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And that's part of why I came
back to this three times, I mean
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that, and I've joked about that,
but that's a metric, right?
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It's not typical for somebody to
return twice or three times to
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an experience because there,
they just keep getting value out
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of it.
And I think that speaks to the
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design of the boot.
Can I think that people need to
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know themselves enough and know
their learning where they're out
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on their Learning Journey to
know, which kind of Your eyes.
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They need the boot camp, is
really a boot camp, and I think
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that's something that people
need to understand an advanced.
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I think it is dangerous for
people to come into this
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thinking.
It's a course, because it's not.
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And as somebody who's got a very
long background in Learning and
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Development, I already knew what
a boot camp was because I've
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designed them before.
So people need to recognize
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that, this is a very intense
experience.
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You jump in right away and you
start building.
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This is not the introduction to
no code, spend a month on that,
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right?
It's this isn't about baby
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steps.
This is about jump in, learn how
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to build will teach you what you
need and then you go because at
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the end of the day, they want to
transform your ability to build
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something, right?
It's about walking out, having
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built something that actually
works.
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So I think if people are at a
point where they feel like they,
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they really want to be building
and not just learning Concepts
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that the boot camp would be
great for them if they're
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somebody who wants to do a deep
dive into a specific project.
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Idea that they have the boot
camp is great for them.
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If there's somebody who has no
background at all and no code,
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you can still come to the boot
camp.
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I had no background at all and
no code and it's just such a
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motivating, exciting thing to
participate in.
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It's very, it's very rewarding
as soon as you get into it,
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right.
It's very it might be
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frustrating to be learning
because you're new at it but As
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soon as you build something you
realize oh my gosh, I built
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something.
Now, I want to build something
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else.
It just keeps be getting a
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desire to keep going.
And I think for people who come
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to the boot camp worried that
they're not gonna be able to
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build because they're new to
this.
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I would tell them not to have
that fear.
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I think you just have to be
willing to feel uncomfortable or
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feel a little stressed out and
just go with it.
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It's worth.
It's so worth joining.
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I can't speak.
Highly enough about this.
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There are other experiences that
are more like a, just a course,
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right words, just self-paced and
you watch some videos and you
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learn software, and that has
Merit to, that was How I Learned
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are table.
But I think if you're somebody
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who really wants to walk away
having built something from
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scratch that you created the
boot camp is, is the way to go.
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Yeah, I agree with you and for
someone like me who who doesn't
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like to watch videos and even at
10 classical courses, this is a
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perfect one.
Cause I'm it's my opinion.
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I believe like you can learn by
doing and then once you start to
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face the problems you can solve
them out one by one.
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So two objectives set is the, we
are calling it calls but it's a
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boot camp actually.
And the reason because I asked
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Max and Harold about, you know,
putting the way they designed
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this.
So they want you to be under
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have not called pressure, but
like a really life scenario
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where hey, someone came to you.
You have 28 days for weeks to
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come up with a running MVP.
It's the best way that can push
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you actually to build something.
Now, it might not be the best
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thing.
For example, mind, I can tell
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you, I did 0u, I know design, it
was just the functionality, so I
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can show people that, there's
something working, which is
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fine, because now I have the
time to do this, right?
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And the second thing because you
said, it's not for everyone.
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Yes, it's not for everyone, not
because Have you ought, but if
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you are not kind of ready to
take the challenge and, you
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know, you just want something
easy that someone does the job
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for you and there's to complete
tasks.
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I would like it's not like a
course and homework and
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assignment.
It's not this, it's real world,
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it's all about you.
You take the project home.
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If you want to think like
college and you have to do the
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project and bring back and show
it to you to your teacher or
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whatever and colleagues.
So this is the one Now, finally
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question for you, Jackie, I
mean, maybe you answered this
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but again I want I want to hear
it.
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Hear from you again.
What is next for you with the
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with this MVP?
Like what do you think it can
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range?
I want it to reach the world.
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I mean, my goal is to have a
global directory at what's next
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for me is scrape a couple more
States.
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So I scraped a stayed here in
the US, I want to have two more
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States in there so that I have
more data because this is such
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an each directory that there's
not a lot of data already,
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right?
That it is a very unique market
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and then I want to start talking
to potential customers and
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getting some early beta testers,
who are willing to stay on board
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with me, for the Long Haul, and
always give me feedback and I
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can worry about finding
customers for revenues.
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So did you stop the distort tool
to share it with someone to have
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a look on what you bailed or
not?
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Yet I have shared it with people
who will be and users.
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So people who will want to use
the directory to find
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businesses.
But I have not shared it yet
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with businesses.
Who would be paying subscribers
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yet because how was the
feedback?
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I'm just wondering.
Oh, people are excited.
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Okay, this is excited.
That's it guys.
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Like, you can see, you know, the
reason I I asked this question
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in this sequence because I want
you to see that first Jackie
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found a problem that she
herself, he cabin.
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First second, she knows that she
can't solve it with MVP.
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Of course, there are challenges
down the road so I'm just
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showing you the sequence that
will happen.
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Maybe you will feel oh, I will
give up, but don't okay, you go
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to ask this, what I did, by the
way, also, as well in one of the
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MVPs one day I get stuck.
I thought that this is not
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possible and Arrested for couple
of hours and then I came back
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and then I found the solution.
So this is one of the things you
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can be trained for it.
In your mind that, yes, it can
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be done.
And then at the end, you can see
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all of us.
Majority of us.
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We share the ideas with other
people.
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I shared it on Twitter and
children can with a couple of
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other people and actually at
happened.
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People?
Yeah, we we need this.
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Yes.
So you can validate and that's
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the best place if you dream to
become an entrepreneur.
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If If you dream to become a
solopreneur now they call them.
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So this is the first step
because you need to start
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building and it's a really
highly recommended kind of
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course and with this I will come
to anything.
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You want to say, check in before
we close.
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Yeah, I will say for people who
it speaks to what you just said
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a minute ago, for people who
think, I don't have an idea.
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I don't know what I would
billable if you focus on
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problems, you have had that you
have experienced problems that,
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you know, well, I think people
would be shocked by how powerful
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solution they can create.
And that's one of the most
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exciting things about the boot
camp is that when you're on demo
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day and you see all the things
that everybody else has built,
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its like that person was born to
solve that problem.
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They like, Nobody can create the
thing that they created and they
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were what they made is a perfect
solution for the problem.
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It shows you that everybody's an
expert in some sort of problem,
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so people think that they don't
have a problem to solve, or they
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don't know what to build.
Think, think about your life,
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think about what you have faced
challenges in your workplace, in
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a personal, if you can build
something that can solve
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problems for people, and
hopefully, that could be
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monetized.
Yeah, 100% agree.
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Well, thank you Jackie with so
much for joining me.
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I know it's early little bit for
him.
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Now, as usual, if you have any
feedback, if you have any
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questions about this episode or
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I'll be more than happy to
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be a guest with me more than
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