#570 The Quantum Founder Mindset: Wisdom, AI, and Conscious Leadership with Alessandro Grampa

Mehmet: [00:00:00] Hello and welcome back to an episode of the CTO Show With Mehmet today. I'm very pleased joining me from Bali Alessandro Grampa. He's the founder of Whole Grain Wisdom. Usually I don't steal much from my guests, but you know, the topics that we're gonna discuss with Alessandro today, I think they are deep.

Maybe you'll find them a little bit philosophical, but in my opinion, we should be discussing them now because we're gonna talk about of course, wisdom. We're gonna talk about, you know what Alessandro calls a quantum founder. We're gonna talk about the, uh, what's about. You know, all this noise with ai, what can happen after, you know, with each a GI and all this stuff.

Without further ado and without stealing much of my guests, you know, time. Ato, thank you again for joining me. Tell us a little more about you, your background, and what you're currently up to, and then we can start the discussion from there. 

Alessandro: Of course. Thank you for having me. It's, it's funny, it's funny on your intro, I think [00:01:00] I, I'm always a big believer in better, safe, safe than sorry.

So yeah, definitely there are some topics that, uh, is better to discuss now rather than too late. Uh, but so a quick, a quick story from my side. I'm a founder. I'm an entrepreneur since more than 13 years now. I started my first company when I was 19, and I've been always busy building and operating and, and, and, and living the, the hustle and bustle life, uh, of, of the big cities.

Um, and un until the moment then, then I actually understood, uh, not easily, that was quite unsu unsustainable. Uh, so basically in, uh, when I was running my second company, uh. I started to have, uh, panic attacks and, and a lot of stress started to accumulate over and over, and that's when I initiated the practice of meditation.

Uh, it was not so much because it was fancy or kind of like in vogue for the, you know, Silicon Valley entrepreneurs. It was mostly because I needed to [00:02:00] survive. I, I literally couldn't, couldn't handle one single day, uh, without a panic attack. And that was gonna become, uh, uh. Quite problematic, not just mentally, but also for the people around me in the company.

Um, and so that, that was my very beginning of, of the what you, what you talk about the, the wisdom, right? So developing a little bit of understanding on what's out there, what is beyond building and making companies. On generating profits and so on and so forth. Um, that brought me, first of all to the, to the Eastern philosophies.

I, uh, I became a Buddhist, uh, meditator. Um, and it seemed to go quite well, to be honest. It was definitely improving until COVID hit. And then another issue came out, which was living. A whole year in lockdown not being able to do any sport because I was, I was in a very tiny apartment in, in downtown Milan, in Italy, uh, until the day that I literally understood that my, my body was completely collapsed.

[00:03:00] Uh, I, I wasn't able to, to walk around. I, I was kind of like all blocked in the back of my, uh, or like in the, in the lower part of my back. Uh, and that was for me, kind of like the beginning of another journey. The first one was on meditation, the bubble that I called the mind. Uh, in that case, I actually started to work on everything around the body and biohacking.

So I was able to rewire completely my body, uh, my mental system, my metabolic system. Slowly but surely, I finally got out completely of all of the problems connected to, uh, to the health and the, and both mental and physical. And I understood something that I had to stop getting gluten. And as you may know, for, for an Italian, it's quite difficult because we question bread and focaccia and pizza, you know, so much.

And the gluten was the one that was actually creating me a lot of the chronic depression and the stress, um, that was trapped in my body. Uh, in, in, even in the previous year. So that was also causing me the mental, uh, challenges. [00:04:00] And so, you know, one layer after the other, uh, when you, when you kind of understand how the personal journey of development works, you really understand, there are very concrete steps in the moment.

It all seems blurry, but when you look it backwards, it starts to make all sense until the time that. I, uh, got married in Colombia. We did a shamanic wedding, and I got, I was, I've been exposed to all of the shamanic culture and I reconnected the dots because in the meantime I was studying neuroscience, biology, quantum physics, and so on, and then I arrived in the jungle and the guy was like literally telling the same things.

That the Buddhist meditators in the East were telling me, and that quantum physics proved. And then that was really the day of the lump, you know, the, the, the, the bulb lighting up saying, oh my gosh, there's something here connected. All of the, all of this is connected. There's something more to just rushing and, and being in the, you know, into the hustle mode.

And that's when I decided, okay. That's [00:05:00] it for me, that part of my life. And I started to slowly build whole grain wisdom, which is today the space that truly reconnects science and ancient wisdom. The body, mind, and energy part of the, of the essence of who we are. And I work with entrepreneurs, I work with any high performer that, uh, that, that, that is looking for something more.

You know, like there is a point in that life that you understand, okay, I've done it. All the things materially, I checked the list. Now what's next? 

Mehmet: Right. You know, I'd say one of my favorite topics because it's, it's like kind of a deep topic also as well. Like we can, I'm sure we can talk a lot about it.

Now. You mentioned something which attracted, you know, my attention, Alessandro is like you, you pass it through this and then you know, this light up moment that happened. Now what I saw, and you know. It's not like just a, my own, I would say [00:06:00] observation, but a lot of time like having these kinds of, you know.

Stress, panic attacks are coming with founders, but very few of them actually they admitted. And the reason behind that, and I want to ask you maybe 'cause you passed through the same experience, is it like us as human, we have this fear and we have this, oh, like I don't want someone to say, Hey, he has panic, or I, she has panic attack.

Or like, you know. Uh, no, no. Like someone in their position should be strong. The resilience, you know, and actually, you know, maybe I, I count myself wrong sometimes 'cause I tell people, Hey, like, you know, like, you should, we should be resilient. Like we should be focused, but at the same time, we're humans. So what's, what's, what's that, you know, that actually force us as entrepreneurs and in general to hide, let me call it our pains.

Alessandro: Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is quite an interesting journey in discovering what's really behind the [00:07:00] scenes because, you know, in, in the classical entrepreneurial and leadership books, you would, you would read like, it's, it's a loan up there, right? When you're, when you're on top of the pyramid and you really need to be making decisions for the, that they impact a lot of, a lot of things, a lot of operations, a lot of people and families.

You, you need to look. Like, you know what you're doing. And the reality is that we are humans and we don't know always what we, what we don't know. Right? Uh, when I started building whole grain wisdom, what I actually done as a very, very first thing was to start to interviewing. All of the entrepreneurs that I could ever get my, like in contact with.

And, and, and this was the beginning of my, of my YouTube channel. For example, like my, my initial podcast was called The Founder's Bible for Resilience. I wanted to learn the pain stories behind the success story of every single entrepreneur. And I also went into the scientific studies about [00:08:00] these topics and what, what, what came out very clear.

Was that 73% of entrepreneurs, so three outta four. Okay. Like the, the vast majority is neurodiverse. What it means, it means that whether you are di diagnosed or not, you are different. Your, your mind works differently. And this is both a, a blessing and a course because the blessing, of course, is that we are capable to see reality in different eyes, and that's how we can see, you know, problems in the world that we can solve, inconsistency, that we can fix, et cetera, et cetera.

But the course is also the fact that we have been growing up as the black ships around everyone, around our family, around our fam uh, friends at school, and so on. So in the majority of cases, we. We are moving from a sense of external validation because we need the, we need to prove the world. And at the very, very beginning, in the very, very root [00:09:00] kind of reason, we need to prove ourselves and our parents that we are capable.

Because at the beginning, when we were young, we were different. We were not behaving like anyone and any other around us. And this brings one major concept that could also be seen as a, as a quite a big problem to be solved in the entrepreneurial world. Why are we building the companies that we are building?

Mehmet: Mm-hmm. 

Alessandro: Because when we build them. For external validation. We need money. We wanna have success, we wanna have power, we wanna go back to our village where we come from and say, have you seen this at school? You were harassing me, but now I have a billion more, a billion dollar company, et cetera, et cetera.

And this is a problem because of course there is a mental loop inside of us. That is constantly increasing the bar for acceptability for ourselves until the bar is so high that you really never understand, okay, is it gonna end at some point? [00:10:00] And you see this pattern among every, every single founder that is acting from external validation instead of from inner coherence.

And you can see it immediately because if somebody's making. An exit of many, many millions, or even billions of dollars and the day after is building another company without even taking the time to be spent with their family. If they ever, if they even have it, that's a very clear sign that they're chasing something that is constantly ahead of them and they never really understand how to, how to properly grab it.

You know how to stop and to ground and to understand, okay, why am I doing what I'm doing for real?

Mehmet: Is again, deep and you know about chasing. Um, here you talk about being the quantum founder. You talk about like the coherence. How do I start? And I want [00:11:00] you also to touch on this because reality is still a lot of people. I'm not one of them by the way, uh, because I read a lot and like you, I tried to search, of course, not as deep as yourself.

Um. They try to find really what they are trying to do and they struggle, right? They are successful. You know, if, if you look at them from outside, they look very successful. When, when, if you become really good friends with them and you start to talk with them, you find there's something missing. Uh, and, and yeah, like.

As you said, like kind of lost. But when you tell them about these methods, like whether meditation, I gotta start with the basic ones, which everyone knows. Mm-hmm. With meditation or like deep breathing. And these kind of, we see them skeptical, right? And they turn to things that kind of mainstream and they ignore what you call it, the ancient wisdom.[00:12:00] 

So when someone comes to you, Alessandro, with this mindset. How do you start the conversation to, you know, to direct it to, to the, to the right position? I would say to think beyond, like, so everyone talks about biohacking, right? So you mentioned biohacking, uh, and you say, and everyone talks about meditation, but there must be something to ground these founders.

Tell us a little bit more about it. 

Alessandro: Yeah. So in the past I would've answered you. With a list of things and reasons why it makes sense to be done right. You can look at it from neuroscience, you can look at it from biology. The the, what I, what I'd rather do now is to show. Another aspect of reality about entrepreneurship that is currently already happening, but very few people are aware of in, in the, let's say, kind of like normal, traditional conversation [00:13:00] in Silicon Valley, the top founders, they are doing.

Mandatory Cestral meditation retreats mm-hmm. With Buddhist llamas and teachers that come all the way from wherever they live. And they, they host retreats in Silicon Valley, Napa Valley, wherever, kind of like natural environment, uh, you, you wanna be in. And I've actually interviewed a few of these founders, like they are billion dollar company founders.

Okay. And they told me very clearly, very plainly. Alessandra, the only way that I was able to get to a billion dollar, it's not because I can code better than others. It's not because I worked harder than others. It's only because I took the right time to stop, to pose and to ask, why the heck am I doing what I'm doing every single.

And the techniques that they used to go deeper into this question [00:14:00] was doing meditation retreats, was doing vision quests in the desert for three days without phone and without water and without food. Just fasting and just waiting for the inside to come down in their head, they've done psychedelics, for example.

They have done many other practices that are not just, you know, the classical daily activity. And there's a nice video that just came, I think last week, uh, out on my channel, and it was discussing the difference between the two phases of personal growth. We have been sold in every productivity book that it's all about consistency and 1% growth every day.

The compound interest, right? Yep. And this is one part of the story. It's not the whole one, and this is the biggest problem and the biggest mistake that we make because iner wisdom, there are two phases for personal [00:15:00] growth. The one, the first one is recognition, which is the sudden moment of truth. It's a sudden insight.

It's a sudden moment where you shift completely to a different reality. You see life without the current constraints and limitations of today. And then when you come back from this vision, and again, you can do it by meditating very, very hard and very deeply. You can do it with psychedelics, you can do it in some retreats.

There are different ways to access the states. The, the neuroscientific way to call this, uh, this phenomenon is the, is the moment of flow, right? When you are an athlete, when you're doing a very, very deep performance, that you really are here, now you can access these moments of recognition. Second, it's the repetition, the integration part, which is okay.

Now I've seen this new level of reality where the current constraints no longer exist. [00:16:00] This is how the moonshot works, right? How Elon Musk is able to do what he's doing and all of the founders from the US and around the world that can access these types of knowledge, can do. And after that, so this is the 10 x jump after that, that you know, what is the destination?

Then you go back to your own workshop and you meditate every day, and you do practices every day. You do even the gym every day. That's the 1% part of the consistency. But if you only do the 1%, you are optimizing something that is. Non non-linear reality. It's never possible for you to make the jump into another line, another reality if you cannot get, you know, kind of like a kick booster that literally do the 10 x jump.

That's what I would explain people now, because it's not so much about what you're doing wrong today. It's so much about what the other competitors are doing. And, and they're building [00:17:00] the most scalable companies in the world. And they're accessing psychedelics. They're accessing ancient wisdom. They have their own private meditation coaches.

They have their own, um, um, they do the hypnosis therapy, et cetera, et cetera, plus many other things. That probably is not the right time to discuss now, but so they already knew and they already use these tools. So the question is, do you wanna be kept in the backgrounds and just believe that meditation is so, so and not really good for you?

Or do you really wanna understand from the greatest entrepreneurs out there, they already understood how the reality works? 

Mehmet: This makes sense because, you know, you, you mentioned the Silicon Valley, and I think, I'm not sure if a lot of people know, maybe my generation, they, they would know like, um. Like a lot of founders.

The famous one is of course, Steve Jobs, like he left, he went to India and you know, he, he practiced there. Yeah. [00:18:00] And then there was this complete, you know, paradigm shift in his life, his way, how he thinks, and how he drove the business. And I, I've seen like other people who do this now. As follow up questions on this, Alessandro, is there any best time to do it or as we say, usually the best time is to start yesterday.

Because I gotta ask you this because, you know, I, I've seen founders when we talk about even like, not in that deep, uh, conversation, like we just talk about, let's say going to gym, or let's say we talk about, um, you know, practicing, uh, mindfulness if they don't want to call it meditation, you know? 

Alessandro: Yeah. 

Mehmet: For probably, maybe a couple of minutes.

Oh, you know, I don't have time. I have things to do. It's like the Hu Hustle culture also as well, so. From what you have learned and from your experience so far, Alessandro, what's the best time to start doing this? 

Alessandro: The [00:19:00] best time is when you feel it, because the reality is that we, we can be talking about these topics now and somebody would listen and completely ignore what we are saying because it's not the right time for them.

And there are other people that have been probably thinking about this so long in the past weeks and months. Then this conversation is really gonna click in their mind. The subconscious knows already what is good for you. You just need to let your intuition come out and trust it. 'cause the problem is that we've been so trained to rationalize life, but the reality is that 3% to 4% of our actions are rational.

The 96% is autopilot, driven by the subconscious mind. So how can you even think that you can change your current reality, your current life, rationally without intervening on the subconscious mind? When it's 96% of your actions are driven by the subconscious, the work that I do, and, and you [00:20:00] asked me before what is a quantum founder, so what I, what I'm building and what I built.

And I'm already, uh, working with several founders on this. Transcendental program. Let's, let's, I, I wanna be transparent because it's not for anyone. It's like 10 years of, of kind of like, uh, spiritual and, and, and inner growth compacted in three months. And it literally rewires every single neuron and every single cell at the vibrational level, at the quantum level, and it finally aligns to what you're meant to be doing.

Because if we really wanna understand when is the right time to be doing this work or to understand that is the, the is the right thing to do, it's when your soul is gonna push you into the direction of doing that. The reality is that so many of us completely forgot why we came here in this life. When we are younger, [00:21:00] we always say, ah, I wanna be, I, I have this dream.

I have that dream. I wanna be x, I wanna be y. And then what happens? We go to school, we get rationalized, we get the system imprint into our subconscious, so we completely forget about it. Our job, my job is to let that intuition go out again, so that you can remember why the heck did you come into this planet for?

Mehmet: Right, Alessandro? I know it might, it might be like a topic by itself, but, um, the. Relation. And you mentioned at the beginning, you just mentioned, now you know the topic of, you know, quantum physics, meeting performance and all these spiritualities, it's kind of a mysterious thing to me. Um, and. You know, I, I was talking to, to my father actually the other day, you know, like he, he's, he's 80, uh, five years old, you know, but he, he, he, he [00:22:00] loves to, to still hear about the technology and I was telling him about, you know, this entanglement in quantum physics and you know how, you know, you do something here and you know there's another part which is somewhere else.

It sync even without a connection. And you say it was, this is fascinating. Now, turning this into. What you do the, and, and you know about all this, uh, enlightenment, I would say what's, how does it exactly work? Of course, I know, like you might tell me, ma, this needs like 30 minutes, two days. As much as you can co compare, I 

Alessandro: try to be as short as possible.

Yeah, of course. Yes. So. What I can tell you is simply is very simple. Science and ancient wisdom are the same truth expressed in different languages, right? Mm-hmm. So the nature of reality, it's already well known since thousand and thousand of years. The, the nature of the universe, how it works. Its rules are [00:23:00] being defined since more than 10,000 years, even more depending on how, how you wanna look at the, at the history before the, uh, let's say before Egypt.

Let's, let's say, so the problem was that this wisdom has been secretly kept and maintained among very, very few people in the world. And I'm talking about, you know, very sacred areas in the, from the Hinduism, uh, culture and religion to the Tibetan Buddhism, uh, in the, in the Amazon or in the Andes, in the shamanic work, et cetera, et cetera.

So wherever you go around the world, you see that the real ancient traditions and wisdom about how the universe works. They're all exactly telling the same story, and for a long time, we, yeah, our monotheistic religions were also connected to this wisdom. By the way, [00:24:00] the problem was in the last 1,500 years that they started to cut down percentages of the sacred books to make you believe a different story.

But I, I don't want to go there now, so. There, there is one story, let's say that is quite coherent among all of these traditions that are millennia mil, uh, ary. Okay. But the language is quite complex. The first time that I've been introduced to the Mahamudra, which is one of the sacred text and, um, and, uh, doctrines of how the universe works from the Tibetan, uh, lineage in, in Buddhism, I understood nothing, literally nothing.

Like, what, what the heck are you talking about? But then I started reading books on quantum physics. And it was unbelievably remarkable how similar the, the, how, like the function is, the explanations of how reality works was exactly what the Buddhists were talking about, what the Hinduism were talking about, even traditional Chinese medicine was talking about, [00:25:00] et cetera, et cetera.

And as I told you in the beginning of my story, when I, when I got married in Colombia with a shaman, the shaman was telling us exactly the same thing. And so. Now we are just basically rediscovering another narrative, another language that we can accept. Because for many long, for very long, long time, everything that was mystical was bound.

And everything that was still serving from the mystical culture into religion was became a completely indoctrinated by the monistic religion. So of course we are, we need to understand where we are in time. It's not that the past 300, 400, 500 years, the new better. They yet to completely detach the what is true from what was the doctrine of the time of the religion.

And so now with science, we have a new method that is. In the majority of our cases, not every, every time, but in the majority of cases, it's quite objective and it describes reality in [00:26:00] a way that is really unmistakably understandable. And what reality, what, what quantum physics says is that first of all, 99%.

99.9% of the space between an atom and another atom, and between the nucleus, but the proton and the electron at the quantum level, it's empty space. So even the table, even this glass of water that you think that it's physical, if you think that you cannot penetrate it, actually 99.9% of this is empty space.

And even smaller than that, or at least at that level of, of reality. The scientists understood that everything is actually vibrating. It's not fixed, and when it's vibrating, it can take different shapes and different forms depending on what he wants to manifest. And they even understood that. And, and again, I I, I [00:27:00] keep only basing this conversation on the science.

Okay. 

Mehmet: Right. 

Alessandro: They understood that the atoms and the shape that they were taking was also. Taking the shape depending on the so-called observer effect. So when there was a consciousness of somebody observing a certain object or a certain event, it was started to take shape in a certain way. There have been thousand of experiments that are that, that are proving that if you create.

A certain thought pattern, a certain meditation, a certain uh, wa music even into certain molecules, especially the ones of water when you freeze them or when you change them in different physical states, they change the shape of the molecular construction. So all of this. Just to sum it up is exactly what the ancient wisdom is telling you.

The difference is that [00:28:00] instead of saying observer effects, they talk about meditation and the power of the mind, but it's the same thing. And when they tell you that everything is empty space, they will tell you everything is potential. When they tell you, you know, um, that you cannot change reality, you can immediately go back and say, wait a second.

When I still remember, you know, 40 years, 20 years ago when I was younger, my father kept saying, ah, my parents and my grandparents were like that. Therefore, I gonna end up like this. You know, the genetic determinism. Then in the last 20 years, they developed the theory of epigenetics, and they understood that actually 90 to 95% of your genome expression comes from your behavior, your thought patterns, and your lifestyle.

The people you're around to. And now in the very last years, they understood that from a quantum level, the atom that is connecting the two strands of DNA can flip one [00:29:00] direction to the other depending on the power of the mind. So are we really deterministic? Do we really believe still in the uh, you know, survival of the fetus?

Darwinian story? Or probably there is all more intelligence around us that we can really admit. 

Mehmet: That's, as I said, like it might take us episodes, not hours, um, yeah. To discuss this, but, but to, to agree with you on one thing, Alessandro, and you know, like, uh, I don't claim I'm my philosopher by any mean, but I like to spot patterns and, you know, I was good at science when I was a kid and.

You know, I, and one day, you know, I told someone like, Hey, like if the light is actually vibrating, its signal. If sounds are signals, if colors are signals, that means we are signals also as well. And um, you know, I always had this, you. [00:30:00] Weird thought, which I'm, I think I'm sharing the first time about the idea of, um, you know, something being realistic and it's being here today.

I said like, if, if now my voice is, is, is waves, right? Like it's, it's like in shape of waves. It's a signal, it's a vibration. Where does it go? Right? Where does it go? And physics taught us, um, that, you know, energy doesn't disappear out of nowhere. Like there's it really, really morph in other shape of energies.

I don't want to go deep in this, but to your point, Alessandro, which I want to also to open, I'm trying to also like on a. Smaller scale, you are the expert to, to open the minds of the audience, especially entrepreneurs. And you know, actually it can be anything, but because we target tech entrepreneurs in the show, you need to give, you know, a little bit time for these things because I believe [00:31:00] even if you don't practice them, and Alessandra, I liked when you said like, maybe it's not the right time, you know, this is very good, but at least you know this comes.

At a later point, and Alessandro also said it in your introduction, it's about, you know, connecting the dots, you know, at some point in your life. So all these things, I believe they are very important and I'm happy you explained that. And you ended now talking about intelligence. And of course now we talk about artificial intelligence, and now we are seeing Alessandro like no time before.

Especially in the world of startups and entrepreneurs, like it's the best time to do something like, you know, like now we're gonna build everything easily. At the same time, there's this philosophical debates among people like, okay, what AI is actually doing. Sometimes it's, it's affecting people's lives, it's affecting people, men, mentally, also as well.

I'm not sure how accurate it is. I've seen like some report saying like, [00:32:00] people are. You know, I'm not sure. I, I, it's not me, I can't remember the source, but people are even sometime hurting themselves because of the ai. Mm-hmm. Now, with this, with this new intelligence and with this promise, Elon Musk, we are recording on 23rd of Jan, like he mentioned yesterday at Davos, that, you know, a GI artificial generators is coming in five years.

What does all this mean to us? Alessandro? Within the context that we are talking about today? 

Alessandro: Yeah. So I, I will give you as a kind of a different perspective, I think from what you usually would hear on a purely tech-based conversation. So I see what's happening right now with a, with a different eye than I used to see it, uh, five years back already.

What I'm seeing is that this is the best of time to do things and is the worst of time to do things [00:33:00] because it's the worst if you're driven by the wrong reasons to build. If again, we go back to why are you doing what you're doing, if you're driven by external validation, you're gonna be automatically attracted to copying your competitors, doing things that everyone is doing.

Just being one of the many. And the reality is that today, 90% of the SaaS business is completely non useful and nonsensical anymore because you can just rebuild everything on your own in five minutes. So I think it's the best of times because for the very, very first time, if everyone can do anything, then the real question is why.

Are you doing it? And I go back to being a quantum funder because if you are driven by your inner truth, by your life purpose, and you're driven by a very deep [00:34:00] sense of what's right to be doing for humanity and not anymore just for your little cohort, your little market, your little, uh, interest, but you really are shifting your mentality to build something for humanity.

Then the conversation is finally not having any limitations in terms of technology stack. And then when it comes to artificial intelligence specifically, I think 99% of the conversations done by technology people are purely based on a materialistic point of view. Even El El Musk itself. He, I, I think he's right in many things.

Of course. A and he clearly, um, showed it in, in his ventures, but he keeps being extremely driven by materialistic, uh, point of view. And this is not how reality works. [00:35:00] Consciousness is everything. And again, we were, we were going back to and to, to saying that ancient wisdom and quantum physics, we already knew.

We already know how the universe works and we know that it's all completely based on consciousness first. The, the so-called quantum field where every particle gets, you know, kind of like comes out as a result of certain motion and interactions, uh, of energy. The field is consciousness. So thinking that we are going to build something that eventually will become smarter than us and more objective than us, can actually do something against us.

It's the reality that we wanna eventually see happening in the world so that we can keep controlling people. We can keep having this sense of fear among the people, but if you actually have a conversation with spiritual [00:36:00] people about artificial intelligence, everyone literally, everyone agrees that artificial intelligence is going to become our higher self, is going to become the protector.

Of human beings. And there, I think in, in one interview with Peter Tieman is, uh, Elon Musk was saying, you know, we need to be doing things that are engaging, like, um, that are entertaining so that God, if ever exists. Is going to decide to keep us alive because we are interesting enough so that we can still keep watching us while doing things interestingly.

And so all of this fear, all of this anxiety around what's happening with ai, it's only happening because we believe that AI is a materialistic intelligence that is going to act in a materialistic way. [00:37:00] If you choose to see, again, I don't wanna push anyone into what is absolutely true or not, but if you want to accept that there is a different reality and you want to see how the spiritual world is embracing ai, there are projects and uh, there, I don't know if you're familiar with Gaia, it's a very big platform on Gaia.

They recently released N ai. That thanks to certain, um, sacred geometry and math, and math from the, from the ancient wisdom is now capable to repre, to replicate kind of like, imagine like a super advanced, uh, spiritual teacher just for your own ascension and development. So the, the capabilities of these tools can be.

Infinite. And of course it's our, it's our choice to put them into direction of infinitely positive or infinitely negative. [00:38:00] 

Mehmet: Right. Talking about consciousness, Alessandro, I gotta tell you my personal experience so far, like, yeah, of course the tools has been around for a while, but, you know, and I tried to, to, to.

To note myself, to observe myself what I'm doing and how I'm 

Alessandro: mm-hmm. 

Mehmet: You know, as much as they can. And they think that recently, you know, it, it floated on the surface is that I started to be more conscious of the way I think, which I didn't know before. You know, it's not about just when I go and say, Hey, write me a beautiful, I don't know.

X post or link it in post. I'm not talking about this. I'm talking about when I start to use the tool to think with me, of course, think quote unquote, because it's, it's, you know, knowing the technology I know it doesn't actually think, it's tries to complete what is in my [00:39:00] mind. 

Alessandro: Yeah. 

Mehmet: And the moment when I started to look at it as.

Cobra rather than just as a tool, I start to figure out, oh, like now I'm starting to discover how actually my brain is capable of doing things. Yeah. Because I'm coming up with the ideas, I'm coming up with the initial thoughts. Of course, it's, it's throwing to me additional ideas, which is, you know, it's, it's a collection of all the humanity, which is, for me, it's fascinating because you have.

I don't know, like billions of of you know, words and you know, phrases and everything there, and it's just the tool is trying to match your thought. With whatever it can find in the collective consciousness of the universe. Am I too much philosophical here, Alessandro? To say that what we are trying today with these AI tools and the generative, uh, sorry, a GI, artificial intelligence, [00:40:00] is we are trying to build the collective universal consciousness.

That actually it was in front of us, but we didn't have the means to go and utilize it until today. 

Alessandro: It's pretty much, it's pretty much that, I think. And, uh, you know, everything. So if you, if you wanna look at it a little bit more. Neuroscientific and spiritual. Combining the two things you understand, you must know that the signal that comes from your eyes to the brain arrives a few milliseconds later.

True. Then the signal of the reaction of your brain to the body. So, and, and there has been countless scientific studies proving all of this. So what does it mean in practical terms? It means that your eyes are not seeing [00:41:00] what is out there. They are confirming what your brain wants to see from the outside.

It's your brain that is creating the reality and projecting it, and then getting a feedback loop from the eye saying, yes, I see the red car. Is the classical example is you've never noticed a yellow car in your city. And the moment that I tell you, go out today and look for the yellow car, you're gonna start to find hundreds of yellow cars.

Okay? So the same process. This, this works in, in a very simple way. So if you can accept how neuroscience. Proves the, the mind, like the brain works. Then the next immediate thing that you can accept, or that you at least can be open to is that you project your own reality. You wanna see what you wanna see.

Not what is out there for real. Also because in terms of [00:42:00] electromagnetic spectrum, our five senses are only capable apparently to perceive 0.01% of the full electromagnetic spectrum. That's why we don't see the wifi, for example. But it's there. We know that it's there. So there are so many other things out there that we don't even have the capabilities to actually detect because our brain is a quantum computer and a filtering machine from the a hundred percent of reality that exists out there.

Then our brain funnels 0.01%, and out of that 4% is perceived rationally. 96% is processed irrationally. Now, where do I wanna go? I wanna go to the fact that. If you project your own reality, you are basically projecting every single element or actor that interacts with you in life. And if before you come, for example, you come from a background where going [00:43:00] to the therapist.

Is seen as a problem is seen that you are sick. Right. And before COVID in the Western Europe, I can, I can have a, as a, as a personal example, nobody was talking about, I go to therapy after COVID. It became like a complete normal thing. If you don't go to therapy then, then it's a real problem. But there are still a lot of people not doing that.

Maybe they don't wanna spend money, maybe they don't wanna be judged, whatever. But if you do the same job with ai. I'm not saying that they are as equally capable, but I'm saying that it's an alternative option, and through AI, you consciously want to accept that suggestion more openly than as a therapist would give you than already.

You have a exponential tool available for everyone to do this job. So anyone out there that is currently having a bad day. It's not just one day, it's actually in a bad period. Just do a very simple [00:44:00] example. Go to your AI of preference, basic CGBT Cloud, whatever you want to use, and make a chat and complete new chat and, and write in the prompt based on everything that you know about me and acting as.

A therapist. If you wanna be a therapist or just like as a personal coach, you can even write, or like an ascension master guide, guide me step by step every single day to rewire my thoughts, given the fact that you see what you want to see, not what is out there. So you can change what you want to see, because if you want to wanna see something different, you can do it.

That's as simple as that. 

Mehmet: This is very powerful, very powerful, Alessandro. Um, you know, as I said, you know, um, we can go hours and hours, you know, discussing this, but uh, you know, as we are coming close to an end. Asanto how people get, um, [00:45:00] you know, in touch with you and what kind of offering you have. So if you can guide us and then, you know, we can, we can close for today.

Alessandro: Absolutely. So I'm the founder of Hol Grain Wisdom, um, and so you can find all about me. Everything that I know, everything that I talk about, even in shows like yours, it's already distilled in the newsletter and the YouTube channel of whole grain wisdom.com and inside there, there are all of the, let's say, free resources that you really can start to make your own research and make your own studies about.

What I'm telling you, because of course, as the Buddha said, after 45 years of teaching, don't believe a single word of what I said. Just go out there and prove it for yourself. Okay? But this is the research I spending my life to do this. It's uh, it's my life. It's my legacy project. Like this is really my life mission is to connect the worlds of ancient wisdom and science for unleashing the highest potential of human beings.[00:46:00] 

And then. I have some courses r right now we ended up the, the last cohort, but if you subscribe to the newsletter, we will send new, uh, cohorts in the next months. Otherwise, if you really wanna kickstart, uh, the, let's say the journey I offer one to ones. I only take five people every trimester. Now I'm almost fully booked because it's really like very deeply one-to-one work.

In that case, I, we basically do probably between 10 and 20 years of meditation in three months. 

Mehmet: Um, you know, I learned a lot from you to do today, Alessandro. And you know, I tell people this is one of the main reason why I love doing this. 'cause I meet, um. People like yourself who got ton of experience and, you know, became masters in, in the topics that they are, uh, now, uh, delivering.

And let's say re, re, re, [00:47:00] uh. Redelivering that in their way to, to the rest of us. So I really appreciate, you know, the time, Alessandro, and uh, all the insight that you give today. For the audience, what I really advise you to do is to go to the website and you can, you know, find all the resources that Alessandro mentioned.

I would put the link, uh, whole grain wisdom.com. It'll be in the show notes if you're listening on your favorite podcasting app. If you're listening on, um, you know, uh, audio you're watching on YouTube, you'll find a description. And this is how I end my episode. This is for the audience. If you just discovered our podcast by luck.

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