#518 Scaling With Authenticity: Angela Thomas on Founder Growth

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Mehmet: Hello and welcome back to any opposite of the CTO show with Mehmet today. I'm very pleased joining me from the same city and the, you know, all the audience know by now. Whenever I have someone based in Dubai, I get excited because we need more voices from our region as well. [00:01:00] So I'm pleased to have with me today Angela Thomas.

Uh, Angela, she's specializing in scaling businesses and we're gonna talk a lot about this today. I don't like to steal much from. My guests to talk about themself. So Angela, the floor is yours. 

Angela: Thank you Mehmet for inviting me, and, uh, welcome to all your listeners and to your audience. I'm very blessed to be invited and to talk about, um, scaling businesses.

Yeah, I, about me, I grew up in East Germany and, uh, back in these days, uh, where the bakery of my. Grandparents was the humbled home that I grew up in, was actually, uh, the birthplace of me getting interested in how to sell because I always saw my auntie how she freshened up in the end of the day, the cake by just pouring some fresh sugar on it to sell it as fresh as it was in the morning.

So that was always [00:02:00] very impressive how she always emptied the shelves. By the end of the day, and, um, I, I was having actually always my side hustle when I was young, a child. But yeah. Um, the, the economy, uh, back in East Germany where I grew up was actually not made for entrepreneurship. So I. Studied somehow, um, a nurse, but in, uh, in one of these end stages of my study becoming a nurse, I got to know this wonderful person, uh, that I fell in love with, uh, entrepreneur, actually from West Germany.

And fact then, you know, he's the best. He was kind of, um, my parents was not so amused, but so yeah, I actually fell in love with him and we, uh. Became a couple, uh, for three and a half years and wanted to get married. I learned so much from him. Unfortunately, he died in a car accident and that's swap my life all around, [00:03:00] upside down.

And uh, yeah, I was on my own, but I was sure that entrepreneurship is something for me. To stay with because when in the young age of 18 I started with that, I felt it is meant to have so much aspects of freedom. And growing up in East Germany, that was a big core value. So I. I started my own businesses here and there, um, stopped them when I found they was not, uh, good enough or even sold them.

But one of them I stuck with, um, very long, 20 odd years. And, uh, I even got, um, uh, a life achievement award. This is, I opened up in the basement of my house back then, a simple beauty saloon, and it was very small. I did all the services by myself. I quickly thought about how to scale and back in the days where we was far away from any AI or [00:04:00] automations where I only could scale in employing people, and with that, I actually only scaled and scaled as well, cost of it as well.

We are fasting forward, actually 20 years. And, uh, in that time I scaled so much that I have 15, uh, employees, 15 therapists, some people in, uh, the back office as well. And I even opened up another business which increased the value letter of, um, every, everybody who was looking up to me because. All what I did was basically in a very land, um, countrysides region, which had a really totally different lifestyle than here in Dubai.

And uh, yeah, everybody was asking me how you do this on such a place where nobody is actually having a big infrastructure, how you scale so far. I built it up a whole PT school where people came all over Europe. To me [00:05:00] not to learn only the skills of how to do a beauty treatment of a specific kind, but also how to do it and implement it in the business.

So most of my courses got booked because I showed them how to implement, how to scale, how to get the clients, how to sell it, to uh, sell their services. And uh, yeah, that's what actually brought me. To a whole possibility of shift that I could actually also digitalize my full business. So in in Germany, I even wrote books and I'm in the beauty industry known as, uh, the one who, uh, digitalized the beauty industry and that very beauty subject protein Me actually were the first contact.

To Dubai since 2016. I was, because of my performance in Germany, always invited here to speak and to give trainings also. And yeah, that was actually the start for me to get involved in Dubai. And here I am now since 2022, I'm [00:06:00] living here in. And have also renovated a little bit my whole business concept.

Mehmet: Wow. Like, uh, I love these stories and you know, like when people ask me why you don't have this, um, you know, sometime we see them on some podcast, you know, the, the host is reading the bio or the intro of the guest. Yeah. And I tell people like, you know. Exactly what you did. Now Angela is telling this story by itself.

Uh, you know, it let people reflect, uh, you know, and because you're seeing like kind of a. You know, a trailer of a whole experience. Of course squeezed in couple of minutes, but it has a lot of value. And I believe, you know, no one can tell someone else's story of course, unless you are an, you know, professional, uh, author that is specialized in biographies, right?

So, like, yes. Uh, but anyway, thank you very much for this, uh, introduction and, you know, giving me the, the [00:07:00] background, what you brought to you here now. One thing, which is related to, to, to to what you told us so far, um,

majority of the time, because you, you, you did multiple things, right? And Yes. You were like, and you mentioned, you know, there's one common word, you, you repeated it or like the theme you repeated is starting over again, right? Mm-hmm. So, and you said like you reinvented, right? The whole thing. I know like you work with a lot of, of other founders, other entrepreneurs also as well.

Uh, what do you see them missing? You know, uh. In order to be able to really go and reinvent, you know, with confidence, um, whether like changing sector, whether like going and starting a completely new business, what's usually, you know, the obstacle they face and what you advise them to, [00:08:00] to do to, to overcome that.

Angela: That's a very interesting, uh, question and I can actually only encourage everybody to think over sometimes their business strategy or their, uh, their field. And so I did and Mamed, I was exactly on the same stage where I had conflict. Inside myself coming here because, you know, 25 years in the beauty industry and what am I doing?

Everybody, even in Germany was saying, why are you doing this, Angela, you are so successful in Germany. You should just continue. You almost on the goal. And I mean, you, my, my personal goal is actually, I, uh, even wrote in my books about that, that I wanted to be ap. To stop working when I'm 50 and now I only have one year left.

And basically everybody says, you're destroying your goal. And um, but I was just kind of achieved everything that I wanted to achieve. And also the [00:09:00] political situation, uh, that hit everybody through, uh, Corona, especially for the beauty industry, made me overthink it. And especially this conflict that I had to leave out, you know?

You feel like you give, uh, something away and you, you betray yourself somehow with your former goals or former achievements. And I have always, um, that thinking that I produce to myself in order to develop. Uh, evolution never goes backwards. So first of all, this is one thing that you should think, you should always think in, uh, innovations.

You should always think in movements forwards. Yeah. The dinosaurs are never, uh, you know, died because they were so Yeah. Adjustable to the weather, et cetera. And that's why, so you have always. To adjust your business model somehow. And so that's when I thought, first of all, I just passed and copy actually what I did in Germany here to Dubai.[00:10:00] 

But coming here, I just realized how different the market is when I was starting here to do business, not only as a guest speaker or a guest trainer, but a founder and uh, entrepreneur that is based here. And so I actually. Took, and that's why I'm confidently also speaking about my past. You know, a lot of people, they have a past out of another industry.

They're just trying to wipe it out and overthrow it somehow. Like it never happened. But I take it as an asset and that's what I do. It is a asset actually for me to come to the next step, basically. And, uh, that is the misconception everybody has. And for a while long, I try to over. Overthrow it and you know, don't focus on it too much because also what you need to know, and maybe we can also ask the, the community or the audience for a reflection, I felt as a [00:11:00] beauty printer.

You always have actually these sort of limiting, you know, kind of, um, repetition that, ah, she's only doing nails. What is the intelligence all about, you know, eyebrows, eyelashes. Whereas, uh, you know, ah, she's only doing that. So some kind of, um, yeah, plate downwards. Where there's no business behind it. But if we could, if you look at big entrepreneurs, uh, who are con uh, uh, um, uh, or beauty industries, yeah.

Then we have actually a lot of founders, a lot of entrepreneurs that, uh, hu are cosmetic, for example, started exactly in the same place, but she and. Everybody out of this industry also developed actually their business model. And so I did, I took this beauty dress out and um, actually could spit all over, um, other [00:12:00] industries.

The knowledge that I had formed in this in. Which is transportable, you know, it's, uh, tangible. You can actually customer relation, you can transport it to other industries. Sales, you can transport it to other industries. And, uh, it's, uh, it's manageable that you, uh, actually en large, um, all these subjects, you know, if you can do it for one business specifically and have put it under the proof, uh, you can also do it with other industries.

The system is always the same. The product is something different, and that makes it so interesting for me today. So the misconception of leaving out what you have achieved is something that I find the founders of today sometimes, uh, be left out with. Um, with, uh, a lack of authenticity if you are not fully talking about where you're coming from and what you have achieved and what is the journey [00:13:00] all about?

Yeah, it, it, it is something that brings you, uh, in an unauthentic way and that's what's actually coming in When you sell something, if your perspective opposite. Fear something, just only the sense of, you know, something is fishy here. They bringing their gut up and you don't sell something. So authenticity is something, something so, uh, important and strong for scaling your business.

Yeah. 

Mehmet: Uh, you unpacked a lot of things, uh, Angela, and, and you know, like, I, I like to, if, if I, you know, want to reflect on, on a couple of things you mentioned. So the first thing is you're saying you must have, well. In one domain, and then you can apply this in other domains, especially when we talk about, you know, scaling a business.

I agree with you about another thing which is sometimes people, and this [00:14:00] is why, you know, if, if you are. Really an entrepreneur with, with, with purpose. Uh, so people will tell you these negative things. Uh, don't I tell people like, don't expect everyone to go and, you know, clap for you and applaud you. Like, you know.

Yeah. Like we are, you're doing is nuns. Sense, you know, and we, we, we see and we read a lot of that. Do you think, 

Angela: yeah. How many people have said that to me? This is nonsense. I'll tell you, in the beauty industry, I invented my first online course. Nobody has spoken about online courses In 2016, everybody was laughing at me as says, ha ha.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah. And I continued to do online courses, which have not even been sold. So. First of all, here it is. My spirituality aspect comes every, because entrepreneurship is something so spiritual you have to have to trust even if everybody says no to you or laugh about you, you know? And then when Corona hit, everybody asked me for how to do it and uh, can you [00:15:00] show us?

So, yeah. 

Mehmet: Yeah, a hundred percent. And you talk about authenticity. I'm gonna come back to this later, but this is very important now. Uh, maybe people who are listening so far think Okay, like you two talking about, you know, scaling and, and growing the business. So while preparing for today's episode, I, I, you know, there's one phrase you, you use, it attracted my attention.

And you say business doesn't grow unless the founder does. Yeah. It's very, it's very big. It's a very big thing. I know what you mean, but I want you, Angela, to unpack it for us. What do you mean by you can't grow your business unless you, as a founder, you grow as also as well? 

Angela: Maybe your audience also knows this feeling when you either have your perspective actually who.

Seems to be all right and seems to be very satisfied with all of your services. Or maybe you have found [00:16:00] yourself in the very, uh, same spot of being that perspective yourself, and you feel like the offer is good, is everything is. Perfect. It's like, you know, a no brainer, but yet the perspective is not buying.

Why is that? Because sometimes you offer and your way of how you think the results for your perspective can be and you can help them to bring benefit to them. They are not ready yet. And that same is with entrepreneur. If they are not, if you are not ready for the things that you're manifesting that you wanted to achieve, that you put on a business plan.

If you not really. Be ready for it to receive it. If you not ready for it to digest an income in your business account of 2 million. For example, if you are not ready to actually deal with this money respectfully, if you not ready with actually [00:17:00] hold the energy of people who come around that. Know how to, um, bring more value to you that you are looking up for, then you are not receiving the results that you're actually putting down on your business plan.

If you don't grow yourself, your own purpose, your own container, how can you have something? Yeah, if you want to buy a Porsche, but you only have a garage for a moped, then it's uh, it's just like, uh, insane to wish and manifest. To have actually a, uh, that Porsche in your garage. And that's, uh, the same thing if you do not educate yourself, if you do not bring yourself in a state of mind, you don't have the garage in, in, in terms of your own Yeah.

Uh, personality for receiving. This kind of business that you wanted to attract, and this is so important. So how to do this? I always personally [00:18:00] invest very much in my own education, in my own, um. Yeah, process in my personal development. And I am, uh, looking always into a room where I am not the biggest. Uh, often you have networks, often you have groups which you can grow, and often then you realize they are looking up to you.

And that's the moment that you have to reflect. I'm in the wrong room. If you are not in the room where people. Um, where you look at, uh, upwards to people where if you are the biggest in, in one room and everybody's looking upwards to you, then you are in the wrong room. And that's for you time to invest in self development, in, uh, looking for another network, maybe in a network that is, um, holding delight and the energy of, uh, of your growth as well.

So that is something that has to do a lot with purpose with. With, uh, [00:19:00] yeah, with reflection, uh, of yourself, of the founders. And often, yeah, they do not want to reflect and often they cannot reflect your own shadows. You can't see, and that's why sometimes you need something. And that is actually the purpose in my, um, skill in our business, uh, mentoring that I have people.

I help them to, uh, to scale and also to reflect of where are their blind spots. Yeah. Sometimes, uh, I, I bet all the founders, um, and your audience knows this in any, uh, terms of, uh, is, is it in in business or is it in, in private? You sometimes reach a certain level at Plateau and you. Don't know why you are not exceeding that one.

And that's where you need to some, uh, you need somebody to reflect actually, uh, your blind spots and you can't see your own shadows yourself. And that's why sometimes you need something. And that is actually meant with, uh, when I say you invest in your own [00:20:00] development. 

Mehmet: Great. Uh, you know, you, you touched on the next point that I wanted to ask you about.

So we're talking about scalability, and you are known Angela for helping founders, uh, in, in in scaling, right? So from your experience, because you've built and sold also multiple businesses, right? So. I am sure, like you can by now, with the experience you have, you can spot which kind of ventures can scale sustainably in a way that, you know, they don't reach the plateau that you're talking about from the ones that Hmm.

You know, like, yeah, they will achieve certain level and then probably they will stay for a long time, and p they might fall. Mm-hmm. From your perspective, what is the difference between like. Something that gonna keep scaling, you know, and keep growing versus something that might fall or even like stay in the plateau that you just mentioned?

Angela: [00:21:00] Yes. So actually in my, uh, concept, uh, always something that I implement, which cause value letter, you have to have a value letter for which your client has to climb. It is nonsense that you have one. Um. Piece of product, service, whatever. You, uh, with which you want to address your client. Because sometimes if you attract your clients on the very first stage where they meet you, they have not built enough trust in buying exactly that one product that you wanted to make money with.

So you have to think in the shoes of an, uh, of an, of a client, of your perspective. That's first of all. So I'm looking. Uh, at the value chain, very much from where is it the easiest to actually enter and get in contact with the service of my clients, with your own service. And then increasingly the trust and, uh, with it [00:22:00] also the scoop of service, the size of the service, and of course the, uh, income of the service and cost of the service in that case.

So that is something that I always implement. I think whether you have a scalability, uh, or not, you should have a very good value letter. Now, what is the difference between a scalable business and an unscalable business? An unscalable business is for me, something where you have to actually, your service is detached for, uh, to factor time.

Time versus money. That is something that is. Not scalable. So now you have to think in any kind of industry that you are to develop something where your expertise is actually put it into a frame, which allows you to have actually multiple, um, sales for in the same time. So let's say, um, you have an um, you have an service [00:23:00] in ai.

Uh, it is very common now how to implement ai. Now, a lot of agencies out there, they have how to implement, um, to make AI very working for the clients because they are overwhelmed. So, uh. Instead of giving that service basically to your client, you can also think of educating your client. Actually detach the factor.

Your service, your knowledge, your expertise from the factor time. Put them in an A frame of education online course, or a one to many project where you can actually show them what to do or what is important to do in order to. Implement ai. Well, if you wanted to stay with this example, for example, so it's always about to bring actually something, uh, into your, uh, business concept.

What allows you to actually detach time from your [00:24:00] service or from your product? 

Mehmet: Uh, Angela, you reminded me when you mentioned like, uh, about the time and you know, it's not scalable. You reminded me of someone, uh, you know, I think of the audience should know him. Navar Ravikant, uh, the famous entrepreneur and you know, the founder of Angelist because, you know, one of the concepts he talks about like, you need to find a business that can grow while.

You're sleeping in a sense. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, yeah, because if you keep trading your time for money, um, this doesn't scale. And by the way, like this, especially, you know, when, when we talk with founders in the tech industry as, you know, like I'm, I'm, I'm more in the tech space, but as you mentioned, like we can learn from different industries and we can Yeah.

You know, of course, uh, migrate knowledge and uh, uh, know hows. So what I wanted to say is. We, we tell them like, you need to watch for [00:25:00] the things that you know doesn't scale and the things that can scale. And you need to try to get out yourself from the things like, you know, uh, you need to focus on the things that cannot scale because maybe it's like the knowledge, the tech, the know how and you need to, you know, to.

Anything that's scaled by itself. Right? So for example, yeah, don't get into sales calls as a founder. I mean, once, once your business grows, like, yeah, don't put yourself in situation where you are trading your time for money. And this is really, you know, very resonating. Um, and yeah, so, so to the point you mentioned now, if we want to put kind of.

Structure. So just let's imagine this scenario. And I like, uh, you know, examples and stories, Angela. Yeah. So imagine I come, I come to you now, right? Mm-hmm. And I tell you like, Hey, like Angela, you know, I found about you. I found like you help founders like myself into scaling. So [00:26:00] let's walk. You know, me as a founder with the process that.

I need to go through in order to find the growth. So let's, let's, let's talk about this journey for me as a founder struggling in scaling into taking them maybe one or multiple founders to the scaling momentum that they deserve. 

Angela: Mm. You put spring in my head, you know, I have flowers now, uh, to find an example, but I'm gonna make it in your, in your case, for example.

Sure. So, um, then you look for an industry or you, you, first of all, I would like to know. Where you found me as an entrepreneur. So obviously you should have followed any of my visibility content. Uh, is it maybe LinkedIn? [00:27:00] Is it maybe my lead magnet, which actually is very well curated. So as a founder, I would always tell you to make a lead magnet.

To attract people to remember the lowest place on the value chain, to make it as easy as it, uh, it can be for your perspective, for your potential client to get in contact with you. So now you don't want to spread out only, um, different kind of, um, booklets and eBooks that yeah, you know, also the audience gets fatigued with it.

And then convince the client maybe that there has a problem. So in my case, I did that with creating an uh, lead magnet, which you have then probably saw, and I do not con need to convince you anymore about having a problem that I am the solution for. So my lead magnet is, for example, instead of saying this is how you become successful, I [00:28:00] create actually, and I take the um.

A problem that my, my ideal client has into the leak magnet. So my lead magnet is called The Seven Reasons of Stagnation. Again, the Seven Reasons of Stagnation. So All and everybody who is basically clicking onto it. They already commit. They have a point of where they're stagnate. So I do not have to go in negotiation, obligation handling with which I need to cl uh, um, explain that the client has an, uh, you know, a problem.

So the problem awareness is already taken away. That's something very good, you know, especially in the stupid market where everybody, a lot of people, and I'm, I'm not saying everybody, but a lot of people, they are, you know, faking until they're making. And somehow a lot of people forget out to get out of this fing, out of this fing process.

So that's why I do not want to [00:29:00] discuss anymore with somebody that they have a problem or they could do better. So this I eliminated with only the title of it, seven Reasons of Technicion. So that's the process that I would get into it. If you would be somebody who comes, uh, with me. What is the reasons of stagnation then?

There is always a speech that I hold. Uh, it's the eighth element, seven reasons of stagnation, but the eighth element that nobody's talking about, that what I uh, told you actually, uh, in the beginning here, it's about your own. Frequency that you put out. Uh, if you don't hold the container, the frequency of what you wanted to receive, you cannot receive.

And that's why you have to have actually this own, uh, frequency that you bring in with. Um, and, and that is something that I would actually find out in strategy sessions and find out actually, first of all, with a lot of questions of where is really. Um, uh, the point of where you struggle and [00:30:00] obviously I would find out either the frequency or actually, um, the point of sale.

Um, a lot of people struggle, you know, they have everything together, their value chain, their structured CRM, the processes, but they struggle to get on the phone, and that's what I have. Um, it's actually a program, a money making front desk. So I would show you actually how to get into a similar structure in which from the lead magnet goes into the next, um, basically step on moving, actually forward.

Um, having a small sized, uh, very affordable, cost friendly, uh, option of getting actually in contact with you. In some cases it can be also a book. That people buy. You know that this, this next step about books, everybody feels good. It's a small investment and you, and, um, increase the trust that the person has.

[00:31:00] So the next step would be something smaller and bigger. To buy. Um, I mean smaller in, uh, in terms of still it's affordable, but a bit bigger than the previous investment that you have done. And, uh, until the trust is so big, that is actually not anymore about if you have the right product, if you would deliver.

The trust factor is now onto the client. Do they trust themself to actually digest of whatever you teach them, show them, have the service for them. If this is not the case, often this is, uh, not the case. We have spoken before about that I will go in something totally free of cost, um, to build up back the trust in them.

With your product, with your service, and that's what I call tiny challenges. So I give actually my clients something that, uh, I have three days. They, their full commitment, [00:32:00] I work with them three days and totally free of charge. And then they see. What is actually in their, in themself to digest and the results that's coming up.

That's very powerful. And with that, you can put them in a one to many product where they have already the trust and you can scale, uh, because you, uh, detach now time from, uh, from factor money. 

Mehmet: Absolutely. Now, one thing also, while preparing Angela and, you know, just it came to my mind 'cause I was checking, uh, you know, the, the, your website uhhuh.

Um, so you called your agency as a family office tool 0.0 for entrepreneurs. Yes. Uh, why? 

Angela: Okay. So, um, yeah, this is something that I, I'm, I'm ending up most of the times with when my clients are coming to me, they feel so [00:33:00] good with the strategy and they feel that I bring so much value that they say, please be a part of my.

Project, project. And so I end often up in the businesses that I'm scaling with my clients as, uh, either shareholder or a part, a mentor that is, uh, helping to scale and, uh, investing also in it. And that's why, um, I have a very boutique, but I have a family office in which I help the people and their businesses to cross.

So for example, this is one thing. Um, uh, this is, uh, the Dubai Doctors Fast Track, which I have actually a client pro to the same value letter that I have. He found me with my book, and then I teach his, uh, client, uh, his team on the front desk. He saw what value I pro. I, uh, went into a fulfillment, um, into a fulfillment, retaining, um, uh, project with him.

But he said, okay, this [00:34:00] is just too massive. Please. You're doing it so good. I have a part of it and let's do this together. So I'm a, a shareholder and a co-founder of, of that project. We very, very help to bring German doctors to Dubai, for example, and get their, uh, DHA license. So something like that. And that's why I call myself family office.

And of course my big dream, um, ed is. That my two kids actually joined one time, uh, in my, uh, in my business where they have now, uh, one is still too young, but, um, and the other is 2024. They have their own ways. And of course as a, as a conscious mom, I do not want to put their dream on, on, uh, on their, or my dreams on their shoulder.

But still, this is just such a big, uh, that would be such a luck on Earth for me, a big dream to work with my kids together. Yeah. 

Mehmet: Oh wow. Like really, I, I, I love this approach. I love, you know, the energy you're bringing Angela here and, uh, [00:35:00] you mentioned something and yourself, you moved here to Dubai, like, uh, and, you know, uh, do, are you seeing Dubai becoming more and more, you know, a hub.

For entrepreneurs who want to start their businesses regardless the sector they are in. And how, because you said like also you were coming as visiting, speaking since 2016, so almost like 10 years ago. How have you seen, you know, the city and the whole Middle East? Actually, not only Dubai, but mainly Dubai.

'cause we both based here evolving, you know, um, when it comes to attracting entrepreneurs who want to start their, uh, businesses here. 

Angela: See, the first years that I came, I was just not taking in consideration to call, uh, Dubai. One time in my life as my home. I was so, uh, I I was so annoyed by the traffic, actually, and I could, I could not feel it totally.

So I was actually always happy to leave. But with the years, what I really found that where Europe [00:36:00] has, um, the extraction of negative. In people do my totally the opposite. They have people with the mindset and extraction of positivity. And I love this so much as I'm myself, a very positive person. And I face sometimes in, in Germany, always people who judge me, oh, why you always loving that can be real and stuff like that.

And why are you so happy and so motivated? How can I be? And so it is, uh, just a very. Big factor of mind hygiene that I practice to have and maintain that back in the days. But still today, I feel in an environment that I, and I think this is the reason why a lot of other people and entrepreneurs are attracted by, uh, Dubai.

It is actually the Disneyland of entrepreneurs. You know, you are just playing on another scale and you have this, um. You have this positive mindset and you do not have to excuse yourself of [00:37:00] being eager to achieve something. I have clients in Germany, they say, um, I wanted to leave as well, especially the doctors that we are working with.

I mentioned earlier. They parking. Imagine this. They're parking, they're very deserved. High class car, five streets farther, not to be in danger of, uh, people breaking in their house or being charged of having an expensive car in case they do not have a garage. But that is something, you know, insane. Why would you have this?

Why would you want this for your life? And you don't find this in, in, in Dubai. Everybody is celebrating the success of the others. I mean, if there is, uh, you know, uh, some kind of jealousy about something, they have to touch on their own nose and see how they're performing, uh, better in order to achieve something.

So the mindset is totally different. Where in Europe is everything on the negative extraction we have here positive, and this is a thing. [00:38:00] Next to the factor of security, the main, the main reason why people are coming here and they will still come here. Yeah. 

Mehmet: Uh, just to add to what you said, Angela, and this is a big opportunity, uh, and I'll tell you why, and this is good for your business as well.

So in, in, just in just the past two weeks and for the transparency, the audience knows, like we are recording on the 5th of September. So in the past two weeks. Uh, the man with, uh, a card, the board on his head, the virtual man bde, everyone knows Bordy on LinkedIn. He who introduced people to each others, he introduced me like maybe to 10 or 12 people and I met out of them maybe 10 so far.

And we still have like some meetings coming and all of them, majority are coming from Europe. And different parts of Europe, like mm-hmm. To, to not, to not like, uh, put a, uh, you know, question model or something. A stigma on one country. 

Angela: Yeah. 

Mehmet: Mm-hmm. Yeah, exactly. So some, some of them coming from [00:39:00] France, Germany, uh, I think I met a, a couple of gentlemen coming from the uk and they repeated the same thing that you said, like it's mainly the number one, of course, the security, safety, family oriented, especially if you have like kids.

Yeah, the weather is hot. Uh, but yeah, like we, we, you get used to it. You have ics. Yeah, exactly. Um, and the other thing that they mentioned is, you know, because the lack of opportunities and slow of doing businesses there and Dubai is known like to be, I think, I'm not sure where on the rank, maybe it's second or first, I'm not sure, but it's one of the fastest place where you can open a business.

Actually, you know, you can. Just go incorporate something, I think in 24 to 48 hours so you can have your license, uh, your business form and everything. But to your point, Angela, what this is now turning into and see like you're helping doctors coming here, right. Um, what's happening now? A lot of opportunities are opening up because one of [00:40:00] the gentlemen that I was talking to and he, he's in, in.

Like health and investment at the same time. And the first thing that he spotted, like all these people coming here knowing that the city have, you know, this spirit of entrepreneurship, everything is fast, clean, you know, all the the positive things. So developing services that target these people who are coming here is the next big opportunity.

And I'm just sharing this and this is will benefit you also, Angela, because you know all these new business will need scaling now. Uh, you told me before we start recording about a new podcast, so tell us a little more. Give us a teaser if you want. 

Angela: Ah, yes. So I have actually a program that calls a Aire, and that's my yearly program.

And out of the scs I have so. Good people who develop themselves. And once they are developed, of course, they wanted to go into the visibility, which is also a big factor in [00:41:00] my, in my one year program, how to, you know, uh, get visibility. And one of my services that I am actually offering them is, uh, to join on my podcast.

And I planned this podcast a little bit a while ago, and I have already really high value people. Who has already scaled. So yeah, this is a podcast I called Aire, actually Aire podcast. And, um, there's something more about to come after the podcast, but let's first release the podcast after the podcast is something really good to come to.

So if you are, if you wanted to, uh, join my journey, just stay tuned. The podcast will be released on the 5th of October. So happy to invite you one time. Is there onto my podcast, everyone stage? Yeah. 

Mehmet: With I would, I would come with pleasure. Thank you, Angela. Um, where we can find, where we can follow you, Angela, and you mentioned about your league magnet, so I want to make sure that I place that [00:42:00] also.

So Yes. Tell us where, where we can get in touch. 

Angela: Yeah. So if you want to, I can, I don't know if even the possibility is there, but IW mm-hmm. 

Mehmet: You just mention it. You just say it. I will put it in the show note. Ah, 

Angela: okay. So I have this, uh. So I have actually the several reasons of stagnation. You can find this on, on my web, uh, on my, on my website, angel success.consulting.

And, um, also the scan there, uh, website is, uh, surely launched very soon. And I provide you the link and people can find, uh, unskilled, you, me, uh, everything that, uh, they can, oh, that we have talked about actually. 

Mehmet: Great. So for the audience, you don't need to look or search. I will make your life easy again, I put all the links, including the link that Angela will send for the podcast and for, you know, all her work.

You'll find them in the show notes. So if you're listening to this on your favorite [00:43:00] podcasting app, you'll find them there. If you're watching this somehow on YouTube, thank you for doing so. So you'll find the links in the description. Uh. Angela, I can't thank you enough for this engaging highly energy.

Episode today. I love to talk to positive people. I love to talk to people who are like full of energy and they are eager to help others also as well. And I know you're doing a lot of work in this, both as business and on, you know, helping people to, to relocate to Dubai, especially the doctors. We need. We need them.

Keep them coming. Yeah. So thank, so thank you. So thank you very much for, for, for, uh. All what, what you're doing, and thank you for coming to the show today and this is how I end my episodes. This is for the audience. If you just discovered this podcast now by luck, thank you for passing by. I hope you enjoyed it.

If you did, so give me a small favor, subscribe, share it with your friends and colleagues you are seeing. We are trying to do. Kind [00:44:00] of a give back, bringing experts like Angela today so we can inspire more people, we can get more successful entrepreneurs globally here in Dubai and globally. And if you are one of the people who keeps coming again and again, who shows me their support, who send me messages, who.

Send me notes. Thank you for doing so. I really appreciate that. Thank you for, and I know maybe you're getting bored from repeating this, but I can't thank everyone enough for making the CTO show trending in the Apple Podcast in multiple countries in the entrepreneurship sector section. Uh, all this year since almost Feb till today, the podcast never went out of the charts, at least in one country or two.

And now we are trending in multiple countries. So this is cannot happen without this. And also, I would like to tell you about something which we launched on September 10th, uh, which is my book From Nowhere to [00:45:00] Next where I. Try to get all the experience that I connected from founders, operators, and people in technology and entrepreneurship and put it there for you.

So go check it out and let me know what you think. And as I say, always thank you for tuning in. We'll be again very soon. Thank you. Bye-bye. 

Angela: Bye.