Feb. 28, 2023
#48 Insights from a Technology Consultant: Navigating the Challenges and Trends of the Industry with Rob Broadhead
In this episode, we sit down with Rob Broadhead, a seasoned technology consultant with years of experience in the industry. We dive deep into his motivations for becoming a tech consultant, the challenges he faces in the field, and his insights on how to stay up-to-date with the latest trends and technologies. Rob also shares his thoughts on trendy technologies and the shift from technology to business-related roles. We also explore the benefits of technology podcasts and discuss the new "Solopreneur" business model.
Find more about Rob here:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/robbroadhead/
https://rb-sns.com/RB
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Hello and welcome to a new
episode of the CTO show with
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Muhammad.
My name is Muhammad, I share
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daily insights about the latest
news and Trends in technology,
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while exploring their
problem-solving abilities.
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I also talked about startups and
entrepreneurs, and their
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Innovative products and
services.
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I also, sometimes interview
people in technology, like,
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myself to share, also their
insights, about, the latest news
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regarding technology.
So, let's get started today.
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I have with me, Rob Broadhead.
Who's joining me from Tennessee?
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In the United States.
Hi Rob.
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How are you?
I'm doing great.
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How are you doing?
I'm fine at open.
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You just introduce yourself.
Bit about you and your business
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and what you do in general,
okay?
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I have been in technology for
little over 30 years and have
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done, a little impatient have
done every role within
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development, at starting from a
low level coder of through
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managing teams and departments,
and things of that nature.
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Some people would refer to me, I
guess is sort of a fractional
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CIO CTO to this point because
I've got a sultan company that's
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been around.
Now, Consulting companies almost
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his about 22, 23 years old, done
a lot of software development,
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whether it is custom, whether
it's maintenance or new over the
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years for customers, and also
have helped them, navigate
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making decisions whether they
want to build or buy software.
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And this is Typically smaller
businesses, do a lot of
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startups, a lot of entrepreneurs
solopreneurs, small to mid-sized
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businesses as far as employee
size.
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So maybe 10 15 employees up to
maybe a few hundred have done a
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little bit of work with Fortune
100 companies.
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But 10 work a little bit more
with smaller companies because I
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can sort of come in and they're
the ones that don't have an IT
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department and I can come in and
help them out.
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Help them either build one, you
know, go find people hire the
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right people.
People, or we can come in and be
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an outsourced department for
them.
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Okay, cool.
So just out of curiosity, you
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like, for me when I was a kid, I
always felt, I was always
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fascinated by computers and what
they do.
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So what drove you to become a
consultant in this field?
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The, the technology set up the
programming side of it was
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something came into I think,
because I liked math.
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I like solving problems and at
an early age, I was exposed to a
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computer.
Course the, a programming course
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and fairly quickly wiped the
idea, the concept of being able
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to write code and get a computer
to do stuff and then that led to
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getting a drink degree in
computer science.
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And then ask her after.
I graduated, I started working
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with some Consulting companies
and realize that Consulting was
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more was better suited to me
because you end up you move
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around.
You can see a lot of different
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companies, different
organizations, different
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problems and you're less likely
to get in a situation where
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you're you're sort of you know
solving the same problem and
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over and over or anything like
that.
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So it was for me I'm much more
comfortable coming in helping a
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customer.
Summer basically solve the
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problem being able to just then
move forward without needing me
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so you know, automated solution
or something along those lines.
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So that then it, I have always
essentially worked myself out of
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a job.
So that is much more suited to a
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Consulting role than being an
employee cool.
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Have they same story?
I can say because I myself also
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what for a long time in
technology and business
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consultancy.
Now, one of the main issues
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usually My experience and I want
to take your opinion also.
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People think that it's easy, I,
you just go understand the
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problem.
The customers face saying and,
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you know, you just put the
solution in front of him but
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actually you and me.
We know, it's not like that,
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easy.
What do you think?
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Are the biggest challenges for
someone who worked like us from,
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you know, I mean being
customer-facing at the same
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time.
You need to come with the right
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Solutions.
You know what are these big
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challenges that usually we face
in our career and day-to-day I
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can say Actors, there's two
short two sides to the same
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Challenge and it's it goes to
what your original point out.
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As, you know, you come in, you
figure out the problem, you
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solve the problem.
Well, that first part of
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figuring out, the problem is a
big challenge in itself is
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really getting good requirements
and understanding the problem
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and understanding what are valid
Solutions requires the two sides
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of that that I was talking
about, is it one is for the
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customer to really think through
what it is or solving and
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understanding their process and
doing it in a way where they can
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think outside of the box a
little bit because a lot of
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times I've walked into a
customer that has a they have a
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problem, they have a solution
that they've already envisioned
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and it may not be the best
solution because they they don't
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have the, they don't know some
of the technology options and
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costs and risks and things like
that to make a complete decision
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and they may have made made a
decision.
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They need this really high-end
complex solution when really
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they don't they're maybe tools
or methods that are much simpler
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or vice versa or maybe something
they think that there's only a
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partial simple, lightweight
Solution.
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That's, you know, sort of
getting them through it as
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opposed to really solving the
problem and we can come in and
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help them understand what a more
complete solution would look
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like.
And of course, the other, the
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flip side of that is Going in
and understanding the customer
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situation, their business, their
specifics.
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Because I found, even if you go
into the same, the same line of
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business the same industry,
there's still going to be some
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differences.
And those differences can be
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very can be very important in
providing the right.
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The best solution for your
customer?
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Yeah, I always call it like it's
because you touched on something
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very familiar to me.
Like go ahead, you find A
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solution which is deployed and I
like to make the similarity here
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you do because in the world of
startups they talked about is it
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a painkiller or is it a vitamin?
And I find out that they bought
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a vitamin that they just, you
know, it's kind of sorted out
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the problem but it's was not the
ultimate one for them.
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And actually, this is also
important because you mentioned
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about getting the right
technology for them.
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So us being in technology, you
know, we need to follow the
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trends and we need to And what's
going on?
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So from your perspective, what
usually you do or what are the
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tools or means that you rely on
to stay up to date with the
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latest Trend in technology?
I actually use a lot of although
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I do, I consume a lot of content
and so I listen to podcasts I'll
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check out blogs and news
articles vendor sites.
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But really the starting point of
that a lot of times is just is a
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search engine search on a
specific topic and I a lot of
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times will work with customers
and say you know that's that is
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a low-tech way to get a better
view of Of your of your problem
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and the environment around that.
For example, if somebody wants
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to solve a problem that deals
with payroll, you can go search
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Payroll Solutions and see tons
and tons of results out there
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and it's hundreds or thousands
of results.
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And so, there is a, there is
that challenge of sorting
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through those results.
But sometimes you can take those
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top five or ten results and just
sort of read on a little bit and
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then data.
Are you to refine Your solution?
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I've had several customers that
I'll go, I'll essentially go do
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a search, give them two or
three, vendor sites, where they
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just talk about the products,
and what the features are.
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And then say, hey, take a look
at this, see what makes sense to
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you.
And then the next thing, you
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know, they can come back and
say, oh, wait a minute.
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We had this very generic General
solution that we initially asked
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for.
But now that we've spent a
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little time looking at what's
out there and what are common
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features and typical Features
and even the The Uncommon
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features.
Like what are some specialty
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things that certain products
provide that are maybe a little
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outside of the norm and that
area.
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And they'll say, oh this thing
that this company does, we love
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this?
So this is something that we
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want to try Edge, best possible,
see if that can be included in
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the solution and whether they
end up buying or whether they
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need something, built it, still
helps advance that discussion
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and get from a point of a
general solution.
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To start nailing down more
details and to get into that
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next level, to get more details,
more understanding, and help
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the, under the customer,
understand better, what's out
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there?
And in my case it's you know, if
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I'm doing that research to help
me understand better what's out
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there and how I can make some
suggestions to a customer and
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say, hey have you you talk about
this thing?
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That's a pain point or a
challenge that you have.
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Did you know that there is a
solution out there that will
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address that for you?
Or there are features out there
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that you want to make sure that
you include when you're talking
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about a solution, so that you
can relieve that pain point or
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solve that problem for yourself.
Cool.
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Yeah, I 100% agree with you now
related little bit to that and
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because we are living in a very
fast-paced, like world.
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And every day a new technology
comes in, but from your
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perspective, I'm always good.
As I think I asked this question
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to everything single guest I
have with me but from your
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perspective but are you really
seeing?
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Because there is a lot of
higher, there's a lot of noise
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in the market about you
Technologies.
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But what do you think really now
is are the Was you that are
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leading the way, which customers
should be following and I mean
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they are understanding more
about them.
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I think the big one right now is
sort of weird getting into and
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understanding a little bit more
is the whole AI chat jgp tea and
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chat Bots and bots in general
and having systems that respond
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in a unless a human-like way to
offset, a lot of times it's to
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offset queries and support calls
and things of that nature.
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But this is something that's I
think we're starting to see it
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sort of has is over gotten to a
level where it is.
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It is simple enough to use.
It is powerful enough in what it
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provides that this is, I think
going to be sort of a new wave
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of ways to interact with your
customers, just like, Many years
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ago when they first started
putting together integrated
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voice response, where you would
go into a phone and you could
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hit her hit a couple of numbers
and it would work you through a
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navigate and work your way
through a menu.
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Basically end up either
transferred to the right person
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or it would get you the
information you needed without
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even having to bother a person.
Well, now move forward and we
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have the web and we have so many
ways to contact a business.
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Yes and a I has been especially
from the web point of view is I
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think starting to become a nice
front end.
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A nice initial contact, but
companies are also trying to
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find out how to leverage it and
also how to do that in a way
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that I think continues to allow
customers to feel like they are
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being treated as a customer and
as a human as a person as
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opposed to just another customer
just another order.
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Try to find that balance and
where can you offset or working?
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You Outsource certain tests that
you do and it makes sense to
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you, and it makes sense to your
end user, and then where the
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things where you still really
need to keep those in house or
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keep those personable, so that
it doesn't essentially annoy or
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sometimes even anger, your
customers.
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Yeah, 100%, 100%.
I agree on that, as well.
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Now, shifting little bit, the
topic.
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Now like you started your career
as a programmer and then you
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know, you went to the
consultancy but I believe now
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you're doing more of mentorship
and kind of also like business
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involvement.
So and I got asked this question
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because I did kind of the same.
I would say transformation and
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people usually ask how you do it
talk.
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I explained from my perspective
I always tell them.
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Look, like everyone is different
and you need to talk to a lot of
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people who can explain to you.
So if you can just Next share
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your experience from you know,
shifting from a pure technique
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till roll or like career to
something that touch business.
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Well what's your advice?
Like only high-level to people
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who are looking to do this shift
for me?
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It was a sort of a shift that
was pushed upon me.
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I put my I would find myself in
situations where I needed, I
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needed extra resource.
I needed other people that I
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could, I could lean on and the
mentors that when I started
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looking to that when I started
looking to hiring people and I
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looked at departments that I was
at and saw that there was in
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some cases, there was a lack in
in certain areas of knowledge
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and ability for people to
progress their career.
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Then I realize that hey I'm I
can help them and I'm helping
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myself as well.
Is fine, people teach them how
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to sort of follow the same path
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with.
You're really getting good
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foundation and technology in
particular because there's so
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many things out there, so many
pads, you can go.
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And there's so many effectively
will call them shortcuts that
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you can take.
For example, you can, you can
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jump into a boot camp and in
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weeks, sort of know how to write
code in that language.
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And I say sort, Do because you
can write code and you may have
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a couple of things that, you
know, how to solve but actually
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having the foundation with in
programming and developing
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software and understanding that
it's far more than code
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understanding the architecture
and the integration of all of
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those pieces that you're
building, takes a little bit
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more and takes a different
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And so that was That was
something I realized that I had
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I was I was fortunate enough.
I was in a situation that we're
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how I was trained and taught was
very foundational based and so
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that allowed me to then grow as,
as new technologies came out, I
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had that solid foundation so it
wasn't as big a step to add a
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new technology.
And the next thing I knew I had
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dozens of languages that I had
worked in and applications.
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I built in those languages and
it may seem amazing too.
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Do that, but it's really not
when you you have that
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foundation and there's there's
only languages have sin, taxes
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difference, but there is the
approach that they take to
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solving problems in general.
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hundreds of there's a lot of
languages that have the same
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sort of General approach, and
once you figure that out, it's
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easy to adjust to the syntax.
And so, I think anybody that it
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wants that either feels like
they're being pulled in that
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direction or Wants to go in that
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It comes back to, like, make
sure that you have a really
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solid foundations.
You understand core development
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software development theory and
and it's and how to apply it.
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So it's things like the basic
stuff like understanding, how
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the logic around programs and
how logic works and how looping
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works and how collections works.
But then really to take those
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next steps, you have to
understand things, like what is
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it?
What are patterns that any
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pattern And what are some of the
different methodologies, you
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know, whether it's the
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understanding agile, and
especially now, since that's
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such a big thing, you know,
scrums and Sprints and how did
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those things help you become a
better software developer.
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And that's really that the whole
podcast side that I do is about,
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you know, building better
developers.
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It's taking us wherever we're at
and adding the skill sets to
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take us to that next level.
Actually, I was about to ask you
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about your podcast because I
know People sometimes associate
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podcasting, I'm talking, I'm not
talking about the us, but I
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mean, from the place where I am,
because there are very, very few
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deep Tech or technology podcast,
focusing on business.
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So what do you think the value?
And I'm asking this not only for
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the audience, even for myself.
What do you think?
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The what I'd value we can put
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When asked people coming from
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our thoughts to a pole.
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I think what this it really
depends on where what your
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audience is and gives because
there is there is the technology
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for technology people that I
think is very useful because it
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allows you to at least for me
and I think this for a lot of
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people it allows you to consume
that content, more often
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particularly, you know, like
drive time and and travel time
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and stuff like that when you
would maybe otherwise not be
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it's not conducive to sitting
there and Keeping up with what's
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the latest technology Trends and
what are the things out there?
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And what are the the problems
that are being solved and from a
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technology to Technology Group,
it's very useful to help.
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Keep you up-to-date and current
and then there's for me it's the
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technology to business kind of
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It's talking more about how do
we bridge that Gap?
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Between the business side of a
problem and the technology side
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of it.
And I think that's something
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that we the more that we can
hear other people's experience
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and what they've done and how
they've overcome that, the more
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tools we have to do that when we
run into it because he sort of
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goes back to your prior
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If you're getting the point
where you are growing Beyond
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being a coder and you're
developing, and you're going
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into more of a mentor and a lead
kind of position a management
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position.
You need to be able to do that.
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Be that bridge or that liaison
between the business side and
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the, the technology side so that
the we can understand on the two
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sides of it, how to really solve
that problem, how to understand
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what are the needs for the
business and what are the
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options that technology provide
for you?
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Yeah, that's something I agree
with you on now before it went
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up up, actually a question.
Just popped in my mind because
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you will RAP Community website
is called ever plan to have a
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Premiere, right?
So perfect.
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And recently I started to see
this hype and everyone talking
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about becoming solopreneur and
when it comes to starting
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something, of course they need
to have The tools that allows
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them to build that.
So how you are seeing this
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going?
Do you think it's just like a
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wave that it will fade
afterwards?
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Or is it something that is here
to stay?
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I mean all these things we are
seeing with one single founder
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or one single guy who starting
the whole thing and building
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something around it.
What do you think about that?
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I think that it is going to How
about it?
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That's it.
There's a lot of things that
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feed into that.
I think from the developer side,
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I think it makes sense that it
will continue whether it's a
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solopreneur or a very small
group.
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And if you look at some, a lot
of these successful companies
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are out there, that's how they
started.
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If you look at, you know,
Microsoft or apple or you just,
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you know, Google or Facebook,
you can go through all of these
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examples.
It really started with one or
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two people, and if you're a
developer, you actually have the
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tools that you need you.
A lot of time, I mean especially
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now because most of the like
compilers are interpreters or
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things like that, you can go out
there and you can have a full
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integrated development
environment, you can have
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Version Control, you can have
database.
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You can have all of these things
that are free.
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They're out there.
You can use share, where you can
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guess now.
I get open source stuff, you can
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use trials, and demos, and
developer, versions of things
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that will allow you to really
get a good step forward in
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building Enterprise class
software.
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If that's, you know, it's sort
of limited then just by your
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skill set.
So it makes a lot and that's a
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great place to build.
Saw a build a product, that is a
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perfect side.
Hustle a perfect entrepreneurial
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start of saying, Hey, I can
solve this problem, I can do it
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real well and then it's really a
matter of I've got to find use
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this.
I need to find somebody that can
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sell this to other people for me
because you probably don't have
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as a developer.
We just we are not usually as
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you know, sales and marketing
skilled but some are and that's
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really where the developer
Northside came up, is realizing
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so many developers have some of
the skills that an entrepreneur
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has and they have some of that
same Drive in a lot of cases.
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You're spending that much time
on your careers, staying current
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advancing, because you basically
have two as a developers in the
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software world.
It's things are moving so fast,
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you have to stay, you have to be
driven enough to stay current.
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And if you're doing all that you
might as well do it with
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yourself as a boss.
Because most of us is developers
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are solving these problems and
get this feeling like hey we
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understand this, we can solve
this and solve it better, which
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is Exactly what an entrepreneur
does is they say, hey, I see a
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problem, I see a solution, I
think this solution the world
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needs and they drive forward.
And so that's that merging of
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the drive and having a skill set
and tools available to create a
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solution that honestly, if you
go listen to like side, hustle
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podcast, and again, passive
income, and things like that.
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A lot of those entrepreneurs
will talk about how Sort of the
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golden standard for them would
be to be able to create software
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because a lot of times they have
these problems and solutions
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that they can see but they don't
have the development skills to
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be able to actually create the
you know, the application or the
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product.
If you're a developer you have
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those skills so you don't have
to go find that person or that
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team, you can do it yourself and
you can then just pour Sweat
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Equity into it, you know, you
pour your time and your effort
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into it and then Let's say the
next thing, you know, but after
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that, after you've invested that
for a period of time and
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weather, and sometimes it's, you
know, maybe months or a year or
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two, you have a product then
that you can go sell and you
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launch yourself into it, your
own career, if you want.
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Actually I started to see this,
you know, high band.
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I would say it's a trend and
what you said resonated with me,
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because when you talked about,
you know, they might not have
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the knowledge about how to do
sales and marketing but I think
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the current generation of
entrepreneurs are much luckier
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at least 10 than my generation.
I would say because the amount
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of resources available for them
and you know the Live use Casey
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says, and you know, there's even
this in public transit as well
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like where you can see them
building whole application,
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sometimes just in couple of
days, and sometimes hours.
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And then, you know, they know
how they get to know how to do.
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So my expectation here is really
and, you know, the I listen
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myself to the housing podcast
and the other one and yeah.
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Because see, like, we didn't
have that much resources back in
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the day.
So now I think they are much
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luckier than On us in learning
these skills.
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The final thing I want to ask
you before we finish Rob as
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regarding the, the community
that you have built.
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So what you are exactly trying
to achieve with that community
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and what's in the in is it is
intended for exactly if you can
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just give me a brief about that.
Yeah.
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The the developer Community is
really about, it's almost we
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refer to it sometimes as a
mentor or Mastermind group
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because it's, it is in a sense
of combination of that, but it's
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us understanding that we can
mentor each other, we're in
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business where we're in
different situations, and we can
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then come together and talk
about what problems were solving
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the technology around there.
The tools that are out there,
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that refer to them.
As nuggets is like, hey, I
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stumbled across this Site.
And this is a cool site.
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This is a cool service.
This is a cool product.
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And so it's really building a
community that says, hey we're
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going to we're going to push
input into this community but
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we're also going to get out a
lot from this community.
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It's like a if you think about
it it's sort of like the virtual
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idea of a bunch of view and a
bunch of coworkers and people
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you like to hang out with, you
know, going out for a meal or
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drinks or whatever after works
and talking through talking shop
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as they say talking about work.
And what's going on?
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R, so it helps you.
Each of us, stay current and
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helps us.
Even get some feedback about
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what we're struggling through.
That's good.
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Well, that's will bring the
conversation to an end with
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Europe.
Thank you very much for being my
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guest today and I appreciate
your time anything you want to
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share like any link, I going to
share the links anyway about
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your profile but anything
special you want to share before
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Hello and welcome to a new
episode of the CTO show with
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Muhammad.
My name is Muhammad, I share
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daily insights about the latest
news and Trends in technology,
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while exploring their
problem-solving abilities.
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I also talked about startups and
entrepreneurs, and their
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Innovative products and
services.
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I also, sometimes interview
people in technology, like,
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myself to share, also their
insights, about, the latest news
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regarding technology.
So, let's get started today.
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I have with me, Rob Broadhead.
Who's joining me from Tennessee?
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In the United States.
Hi Rob.
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How are you?
I'm doing great.
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How are you doing?
I'm fine at open.
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You just introduce yourself.
Bit about you and your business
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and what you do in general,
okay?
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I have been in technology for
little over 30 years and have
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done, a little impatient have
done every role within
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development, at starting from a
low level coder of through
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managing teams and departments,
and things of that nature.
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Some people would refer to me, I
guess is sort of a fractional
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CIO CTO to this point because
I've got a sultan company that's
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been around.
Now, Consulting companies almost
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his about 22, 23 years old, done
a lot of software development,
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whether it is custom, whether
it's maintenance or new over the
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years for customers, and also
have helped them, navigate
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making decisions whether they
want to build or buy software.
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And this is Typically smaller
businesses, do a lot of
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startups, a lot of entrepreneurs
solopreneurs, small to mid-sized
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businesses as far as employee
size.
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So maybe 10 15 employees up to
maybe a few hundred have done a
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little bit of work with Fortune
100 companies.
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But 10 work a little bit more
with smaller companies because I
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can sort of come in and they're
the ones that don't have an IT
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department and I can come in and
help them out.
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Help them either build one, you
know, go find people hire the
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right people.
People, or we can come in and be
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an outsourced department for
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Okay, cool.
So just out of curiosity, you
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like, for me when I was a kid, I
always felt, I was always
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fascinated by computers and what
they do.
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So what drove you to become a
consultant in this field?
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The, the technology set up the
programming side of it was
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something came into I think,
because I liked math.
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I like solving problems and at
an early age, I was exposed to a
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computer.
Course the, a programming course
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and fairly quickly wiped the
idea, the concept of being able
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to write code and get a computer
to do stuff and then that led to
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getting a drink degree in
computer science.
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And then ask her after.
I graduated, I started working
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with some Consulting companies
and realize that Consulting was
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more was better suited to me
because you end up you move
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around.
You can see a lot of different
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companies, different
organizations, different
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problems and you're less likely
to get in a situation where
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you're you're sort of you know
solving the same problem and
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over and over or anything like
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So it was for me I'm much more
comfortable coming in helping a
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customer.
Summer basically solve the
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problem being able to just then
move forward without needing me
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so you know, automated solution
or something along those lines.
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So that then it, I have always
essentially worked myself out of
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a job.
So that is much more suited to a
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Consulting role than being an
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Have they same story?
I can say because I myself also
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what for a long time in
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consultancy.
Now, one of the main issues
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usually My experience and I want
to take your opinion also.
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People think that it's easy, I,
you just go understand the
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problem.
The customers face saying and,
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you know, you just put the
solution in front of him but
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actually you and me.
We know, it's not like that,
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easy.
What do you think?
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Are the biggest challenges for
someone who worked like us from,
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you know, I mean being
customer-facing at the same
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time.
You need to come with the right
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Solutions.
You know what are these big
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challenges that usually we face
in our career and day-to-day I
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can say Actors, there's two
short two sides to the same
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Challenge and it's it goes to
what your original point out.
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As, you know, you come in, you
figure out the problem, you
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solve the problem.
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figuring out, the problem is a
big challenge in itself is
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really getting good requirements
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and understanding what are valid
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of that that I was talking
about, is it one is for the
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customer to really think through
what it is or solving and
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understanding their process and
doing it in a way where they can
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think outside of the box a
little bit because a lot of
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times I've walked into a
customer that has a they have a
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problem, they have a solution
that they've already envisioned
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and it may not be the best
solution because they they don't
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have the, they don't know some
of the technology options and
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costs and risks and things like
that to make a complete decision
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and they may have made made a
decision.
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They need this really high-end
complex solution when really
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they don't they're maybe tools
or methods that are much simpler
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or vice versa or maybe something
they think that there's only a
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partial simple, lightweight
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That's, you know, sort of
getting them through it as
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opposed to really solving the
problem and we can come in and
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help them understand what a more
complete solution would look
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like.
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flip side of that is Going in
and understanding the customer
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situation, their business, their
specifics.
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Because I found, even if you go
into the same, the same line of
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business the same industry,
there's still going to be some
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differences.
And those differences can be
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very can be very important in
providing the right.
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The best solution for your
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Yeah, I always call it like it's
because you touched on something
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very familiar to me.
Like go ahead, you find A
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solution which is deployed and I
like to make the similarity here
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you do because in the world of
startups they talked about is it
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a painkiller or is it a vitamin?
And I find out that they bought
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a vitamin that they just, you
know, it's kind of sorted out
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the problem but it's was not the
ultimate one for them.
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important because you mentioned
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about getting the right
technology for them.
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So us being in technology, you
know, we need to follow the
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trends and we need to And what's
going on?
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So from your perspective, what
usually you do or what are the
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tools or means that you rely on
to stay up to date with the
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latest Trend in technology?
I actually use a lot of although
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I do, I consume a lot of content
and so I listen to podcasts I'll
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check out blogs and news
articles vendor sites.
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But really the starting point of
that a lot of times is just is a
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search engine search on a
specific topic and I a lot of
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times will work with customers
and say you know that's that is
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a low-tech way to get a better
view of Of your of your problem
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and the environment around that.
For example, if somebody wants
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to solve a problem that deals
with payroll, you can go search
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Payroll Solutions and see tons
and tons of results out there
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and it's hundreds or thousands
of results.
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And so, there is a, there is
that challenge of sorting
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through those results.
But sometimes you can take those
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top five or ten results and just
sort of read on a little bit and
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then data.
Are you to refine Your solution?
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I've had several customers that
I'll go, I'll essentially go do
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a search, give them two or
three, vendor sites, where they
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just talk about the products,
and what the features are.
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And then say, hey, take a look
at this, see what makes sense to
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you.
And then the next thing, you
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know, they can come back and
say, oh, wait a minute.
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We had this very generic General
solution that we initially asked
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for.
But now that we've spent a
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little time looking at what's
out there and what are common
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features and typical Features
and even the The Uncommon
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features.
Like what are some specialty
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things that certain products
provide that are maybe a little
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outside of the norm and that
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And they'll say, oh this thing
that this company does, we love
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this?
So this is something that we
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want to try Edge, best possible,
see if that can be included in
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the solution and whether they
end up buying or whether they
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need something, built it, still
helps advance that discussion
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and get from a point of a
general solution.
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To start nailing down more
details and to get into that
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next level, to get more details,
more understanding, and help
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the, under the customer,
understand better, what's out
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there?
And in my case it's you know, if
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I'm doing that research to help
me understand better what's out
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there and how I can make some
suggestions to a customer and
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say, hey have you you talk about
this thing?
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That's a pain point or a
challenge that you have.
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Did you know that there is a
solution out there that will
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address that for you?
Or there are features out there
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that you want to make sure that
you include when you're talking
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about a solution, so that you
can relieve that pain point or
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solve that problem for yourself.
Cool.
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Yeah, I 100% agree with you now
related little bit to that and
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because we are living in a very
fast-paced, like world.
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And every day a new technology
comes in, but from your
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perspective, I'm always good.
As I think I asked this question
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to everything single guest I
have with me but from your
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perspective but are you really
seeing?
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Because there is a lot of
higher, there's a lot of noise
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in the market about you
Technologies.
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But what do you think really now
is are the Was you that are
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leading the way, which customers
should be following and I mean
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they are understanding more
about them.
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I think the big one right now is
sort of weird getting into and
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understanding a little bit more
is the whole AI chat jgp tea and
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chat Bots and bots in general
and having systems that respond
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in a unless a human-like way to
offset, a lot of times it's to
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offset queries and support calls
and things of that nature.
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But this is something that's I
think we're starting to see it
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sort of has is over gotten to a
level where it is.
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It is simple enough to use.
It is powerful enough in what it
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provides that this is, I think
going to be sort of a new wave
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of ways to interact with your
customers, just like, Many years
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ago when they first started
putting together integrated
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voice response, where you would
go into a phone and you could
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hit her hit a couple of numbers
and it would work you through a
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navigate and work your way
through a menu.
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Basically end up either
transferred to the right person
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or it would get you the
information you needed without
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even having to bother a person.
Well, now move forward and we
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have the web and we have so many
ways to contact a business.
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Yes and a I has been especially
from the web point of view is I
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think starting to become a nice
front end.
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A nice initial contact, but
companies are also trying to
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find out how to leverage it and
also how to do that in a way
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that I think continues to allow
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being treated as a customer and
as a human as a person as
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opposed to just another customer
just another order.
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Try to find that balance and
where can you offset or working?
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You Outsource certain tests that
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you, and it makes sense to your
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things where you still really
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keep those personable, so that
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Yeah, 100%, 100%.
I agree on that, as well.
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Now, shifting little bit, the
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Now like you started your career
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know, you went to the
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you're doing more of mentorship
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involvement.
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because I did kind of the same.
I would say transformation and
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people usually ask how you do it
talk.
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I explained from my perspective
I always tell them.
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Look, like everyone is different
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people who can explain to you.
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your experience from you know,
shifting from a pure technique
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till roll or like career to
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Well what's your advice?
Like only high-level to people
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who are looking to do this shift
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It was a sort of a shift that
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I put my I would find myself in
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needed extra resource.
I needed other people that I
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could, I could lean on and the
mentors that when I started
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looking to that when I started
looking to hiring people and I
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looked at departments that I was
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some cases, there was a lack in
in certain areas of knowledge
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and ability for people to
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Then I realize that hey I'm I
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myself as well.
Is fine, people teach them how
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to sort of follow the same path
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with.
You're really getting good
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foundation and technology in
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many things out there, so many
pads, you can go.
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will call them shortcuts that
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you can take.
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jump into a boot camp and in
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weeks, sort of know how to write
code in that language.
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can write code and you may have
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a couple of things that, you
know, how to solve but actually
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having the foundation with in
programming and developing
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software and understanding that
it's far more than code
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understanding the architecture
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those pieces that you're
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more and takes a different
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I was I was fortunate enough.
I was in a situation that we're
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how I was trained and taught was
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that allowed me to then grow as,
as new technologies came out, I
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had that solid foundation so it
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new technology.
And the next thing I knew I had
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dozens of languages that I had
worked in and applications.
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I built in those languages and
it may seem amazing too.
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Do that, but it's really not
when you you have that
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foundation and there's there's
only languages have sin, taxes
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difference, but there is the
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solving problems in general.
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hundreds of there's a lot of
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sort of General approach, and
once you figure that out, it's
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easy to adjust to the syntax.
And so, I think anybody that it
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wants that either feels like
they're being pulled in that
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direction or Wants to go in that
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solid foundations.
You understand core development
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software development theory and
and it's and how to apply it.
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So it's things like the basic
stuff like understanding, how
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the logic around programs and
how logic works and how looping
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works and how collections works.
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next steps, you have to
understand things, like what is
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What are patterns that any
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pattern And what are some of the
different methodologies, you
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know, whether it's the
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understanding agile, and
especially now, since that's
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such a big thing, you know,
scrums and Sprints and how did
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those things help you become a
better software developer.
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And that's really that the whole
podcast side that I do is about,
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you know, building better
developers.
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It's taking us wherever we're at
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take us to that next level.
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about your podcast because I
know People sometimes associate
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podcasting, I'm talking, I'm not
talking about the us, but I
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mean, from the place where I am,
because there are very, very few
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deep Tech or technology podcast,
focusing on business.
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So what do you think the value?
And I'm asking this not only for
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the audience, even for myself.
What do you think?
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The what I'd value we can put
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When asked people coming from
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our thoughts to a pole.
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I think what this it really
depends on where what your
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audience is and gives because
there is there is the technology
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for technology people that I
think is very useful because it
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allows you to at least for me
and I think this for a lot of
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people it allows you to consume
that content, more often
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particularly, you know, like
drive time and and travel time
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and stuff like that when you
would maybe otherwise not be
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it's not conducive to sitting
there and Keeping up with what's
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the latest technology Trends and
what are the things out there?
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And what are the the problems
that are being solved and from a
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technology to Technology Group,
it's very useful to help.
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Keep you up-to-date and current
and then there's for me it's the
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technology to business kind of
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It's talking more about how do
we bridge that Gap?
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Between the business side of a
problem and the technology side
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of it.
And I think that's something
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that we the more that we can
hear other people's experience
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and what they've done and how
they've overcome that, the more
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tools we have to do that when we
run into it because he sort of
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goes back to your prior
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If you're getting the point
where you are growing Beyond
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being a coder and you're
developing, and you're going
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into more of a mentor and a lead
kind of position a management
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position.
You need to be able to do that.
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Be that bridge or that liaison
between the business side and
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the, the technology side so that
the we can understand on the two
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sides of it, how to really solve
that problem, how to understand
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what are the needs for the
business and what are the
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options that technology provide
for you?
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with you on now before it went
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up up, actually a question.
Just popped in my mind because
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you will RAP Community website
is called ever plan to have a
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Premiere, right?
So perfect.
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And recently I started to see
this hype and everyone talking
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about becoming solopreneur and
when it comes to starting
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something, of course they need
to have The tools that allows
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them to build that.
So how you are seeing this
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going?
Do you think it's just like a
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wave that it will fade
afterwards?
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Or is it something that is here
to stay?
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I mean all these things we are
seeing with one single founder
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or one single guy who starting
the whole thing and building
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something around it.
What do you think about that?
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I think that it is going to How
about it?
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That's it.
There's a lot of things that
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feed into that.
I think from the developer side,
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I think it makes sense that it
will continue whether it's a
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solopreneur or a very small
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of these successful companies
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are out there, that's how they
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If you look at, you know,
Microsoft or apple or you just,
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you know, Google or Facebook,
you can go through all of these
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examples.
It really started with one or
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two people, and if you're a
developer, you actually have the
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tools that you need you.
A lot of time, I mean especially
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now because most of the like
compilers are interpreters or
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things like that, you can go out
there and you can have a full
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integrated development
environment, you can have
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Version Control, you can have
database.
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You can have all of these things
that are free.
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They're out there.
You can use share, where you can
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guess now.
I get open source stuff, you can
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use trials, and demos, and
developer, versions of things
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that will allow you to really
get a good step forward in
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building Enterprise class
software.
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If that's, you know, it's sort
of limited then just by your
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skill set.
So it makes a lot and that's a
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great place to build.
Saw a build a product, that is a
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perfect side.
Hustle a perfect entrepreneurial
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start of saying, Hey, I can
solve this problem, I can do it
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real well and then it's really a
matter of I've got to find use
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this.
I need to find somebody that can
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sell this to other people for me
because you probably don't have
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as a developer.
We just we are not usually as
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you know, sales and marketing
skilled but some are and that's
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really where the developer
Northside came up, is realizing
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so many developers have some of
the skills that an entrepreneur
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has and they have some of that
same Drive in a lot of cases.
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You're spending that much time
on your careers, staying current
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advancing, because you basically
have two as a developers in the
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software world.
It's things are moving so fast,
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you have to stay, you have to be
driven enough to stay current.
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And if you're doing all that you
might as well do it with
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yourself as a boss.
Because most of us is developers
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are solving these problems and
get this feeling like hey we
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understand this, we can solve
this and solve it better, which
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is Exactly what an entrepreneur
does is they say, hey, I see a
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problem, I see a solution, I
think this solution the world
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needs and they drive forward.
And so that's that merging of
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the drive and having a skill set
and tools available to create a
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solution that honestly, if you
go listen to like side, hustle
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podcast, and again, passive
income, and things like that.
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A lot of those entrepreneurs
will talk about how Sort of the
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golden standard for them would
be to be able to create software
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because a lot of times they have
these problems and solutions
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that they can see but they don't
have the development skills to
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be able to actually create the
you know, the application or the
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product.
If you're a developer you have
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those skills so you don't have
to go find that person or that
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team, you can do it yourself and
you can then just pour Sweat
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Equity into it, you know, you
pour your time and your effort
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into it and then Let's say the
next thing, you know, but after
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that, after you've invested that
for a period of time and
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weather, and sometimes it's, you
know, maybe months or a year or
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two, you have a product then
that you can go sell and you
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launch yourself into it, your
own career, if you want.
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Actually I started to see this,
you know, high band.
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I would say it's a trend and
what you said resonated with me,
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because when you talked about,
you know, they might not have
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the knowledge about how to do
sales and marketing but I think
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the current generation of
entrepreneurs are much luckier
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at least 10 than my generation.
I would say because the amount
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of resources available for them
and you know the Live use Casey
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says, and you know, there's even
this in public transit as well
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like where you can see them
building whole application,
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sometimes just in couple of
days, and sometimes hours.
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And then, you know, they know
how they get to know how to do.
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So my expectation here is really
and, you know, the I listen
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myself to the housing podcast
and the other one and yeah.
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Because see, like, we didn't
have that much resources back in
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the day.
So now I think they are much
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luckier than On us in learning
these skills.
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The final thing I want to ask
you before we finish Rob as
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regarding the, the community
that you have built.
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So what you are exactly trying
to achieve with that community
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and what's in the in is it is
intended for exactly if you can
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just give me a brief about that.
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The the developer Community is
really about, it's almost we
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refer to it sometimes as a
mentor or Mastermind group
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because it's, it is in a sense
of combination of that, but it's
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us understanding that we can
mentor each other, we're in
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business where we're in
different situations, and we can
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then come together and talk
about what problems were solving
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the technology around there.
The tools that are out there,
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that refer to them.
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stumbled across this Site.
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This is a cool service.
This is a cool product.
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And so it's really building a
community that says, hey we're
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going to we're going to push
input into this community but
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we're also going to get out a
lot from this community.
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It's like a if you think about
it it's sort of like the virtual
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idea of a bunch of view and a
bunch of coworkers and people
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you like to hang out with, you
know, going out for a meal or
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drinks or whatever after works
and talking through talking shop
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as they say talking about work.
And what's going on?
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R, so it helps you.
Each of us, stay current and
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helps us.
Even get some feedback about
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what we're struggling through.
That's good.
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Well, that's will bring the
conversation to an end with
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Europe.
Thank you very much for being my
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guest today and I appreciate
your time anything you want to
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share like any link, I going to
share the links anyway about
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your profile but anything
special you want to share before
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we had Not really but I would
love for people to go check out
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School.
Dot development or.com.
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If you have any interest, we've
got lots of free courses and
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content out there.
And if you're somebody that's
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about to step into a bigger
project, don't you can go out to
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the, our be Consulting site.
We do a free 30-minute
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consultation.
We're happy to just try to get
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people pointed in the right
direction.
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So if there's, if you're
wondering about technology, then
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that's always a, you know,
obviously would love for people
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to take advantage of that we're
not there too.
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You on anything, we're really
just there to understand your
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problem and give you some some
first steps to help you avoid
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making mistakes.
That's cool.
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I would share the links with the
with my audience in the episode
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description.
Well, thank you very much drop.
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Thank you for coming today and
to my audience.
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Thank you for tuning in.
I hope you found this
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conversation.
Helpful insightful, as usual, if
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you have any feedback, if you
have any questions, you can
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either reach out to me.
By e-mail, or you can reach out
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to me by contacting me, over
LinkedIn, or Twitter.
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And until we meet next time, I
hope you stay in and save and
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thank you for tuning in again.
We'll meet in the next episode.
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Thank you.
